After this, she (for obvious reasons) didn't trust the witches, and didn't want them to have their powers anymore. She wanted their power to fade away, if they were willing to murder her and her friends to restore it. So she helped Marcel keep a lid on things, and suppress any attempts by the crazy child-sacrificing witches to use magic, until the Harvest power faded from her. She genuinely thought they lied to the Harvest Girls, that they wouldn't come back, and so she wasn't being selfsih, she was just defending herself, and avenging her friends.
Secondly, the Ancestors had no call judging anyone, given that they're pathetic, small, dead things who refuse to lie down and die. They're as unnatural as vampires, clinging to life past their time, yet think they're somehow better. And they'd have been more justified in being pissed at the Elders, for failing to inform the Harvest Girls what the ritual was really about. Davina might have gone along with it, if she had been told the truth from the start. Though, you're right, she WAS warned, and she acknowledged that before she died.
You need to rewatch. Tim died because Davina lost faith in Marcel (who neglected to inform her that the last witch who could perform the Reaping was dead, and thus she was safe) and she wanted to leave NOLA, to get away from the violence and manipulations. And because Klaus didn't want to lose his tool, so he told her come back and grovel at his feet like a good little slave, or Tim would die. She came back pissed off, and fought back. She won. Klaus had compelled Tim to poison both himself and Davina if she did, however. It wasn't even about eliminating a threat for Klaus, it was just a "fuck you" for not bowing down to him. That was NOT her fault.
And again, by the end of the season, she WAS staying out of Klaus's way. Right up until he kidnapped/bit Josh to try and force her to locate Marcel for him. And she only brought back Mikael because Klaus never returned to heal Josh, and he was dying. She came to the conclusion that as long as he was alive, all of her friends were at risk, so she brought back someone with a chance to kill him, because she couldn't. That's fair, don't you think?
Actually they went through with the Harvest because of the explosion in the vampire population.
And the Elders did inform them. When Davina was explaining to Elijah about everything, she straid up said, that the plan was for the four to go to limbo and then be ressurected. The only way you can be ressurected is if you die. The only changed point is they decided to slit their throats, instead of doing whatever the hell they were going to do to their hands to kill them. Frankly, I think I would hav prefered slit throat over what I'm assuming was a death hex.
And the Harvest worked, had there been no interuption, they would have ressurected moments later, and everything would have been fine. Is it considered barbaric when doctors cut into someone to take a damaged organ and put a better one in? They're witches, believing in magic shouldn't be difficult for them.
She helped him slaughter people for simply using magic, and it wasn't just the French Quarter Coven. Given Eva was terrified of the idea of having a kid in New Orleans with Marcel around.
Also Agnes, the one who cursed Tim, was confirmed to be an Extremist. Extremists tend to get into power in response to upheavel and strife. Which again, was caused by the explosion in the vampire population. If you suddenly found yourself surrounded by an army of blood sucking immortal abominations, lead by the child of one of the most ruthless vampires to ever live, wouldn't you maybe want to make sure your power didn't fade and were you able to defend your people if any one of numerous sadisitc monster came and attacked which we know they did because Marcel repeatedly had his people go out with the sole job of terrorizing people in the Cauldron.
Literally the explanation is that Klaus was born a werewolf, so he can procreate. Every hybrid on the planet was born a werewolf.
...looking through some of your posts on the wiki, you have no problem complaining when the show breaks canon. So why are you so dead set on defending the people you've called out for incompetent writing before?
No one cares that hybrids need doppelgänger blood. Yes, they do. That's part of canon. Once the rules are set, they can't be changed, not even by the showrunners. If they write something that breaks those rules it is a plothole. Niklaus choking Esther to death? Plothole. Undead person being able to procreate? Plothole. The characterization of the Mikaelsons? Plothole. If the writers write something that invalidates canon it is a plothole.
No, we don't set the rules. We acknowledge them and demand that the show follow them.
And seriously? You're asking why people are pissed that the main point of The Originals is a baby?
Then why can't Hayley have children? Part of Esther's pitch for putting her in a new body was the opportunity to get impregnated again. So clearly she's unable to.
Good person? No. When the merge gave Kai a piece of Luke, Kai felt guilt. How did he respond? By forcing himself into Bonnie's life despite the fact that she obviously wanted nothing to do with him. It wasn't about her, it was about him. He had this guilt, and he needed Bonnie to make it go away. Her desires, her thoughts, her feelings, none of those mattered. All that mattered was making that icky guilt go away. So he manipulated, he blackmailed, he tricked, all to get to Bonnie and get her to forgive him. Her ptsd episodes that he triggered? Those didn't matter, she had to forgive him. Make his guilt go away. Kai was never a good person, he didn't become a good person. And he never would have.
And betray? He tortured Bonnie, he killed Bonnie at one point, then he escaped the prison that he got thrown into by his own people because he butchered his siblings for lolz. Bonnie put him back in prison. There was no betrayal, all he had to do was stay away from her. Let her cope, let her move on, but he couldn't. Because his desire to apologize had nothing to do with making it up to her, and everything to do with trying to make this new annoyance go away.
Saying that it's all Bonnie's fault is nothing short of victim blaming.
Gods...no. A god of a universe is a character that exists within that universe. Plec and Narducci are show runners, they tell the writers what to write, and engage in writing themselves. And any writer, whether it be a rando on fanfic.net, or the likes of Martin, Rowling, Tolkien, or even Shakespeare, are bound by the internal logic of the universes that they create. The canon of their literary, cinematic. etc. work.
Some, such as Rowling and Martin, have such a highly affirmed knowledge of the internal logic of their works that they can get away with saying something and having it be true. Plec and Narducci on the other hand have constantly shown that they cannot do this. Characterization fails, history fails, mythology fails. They do not know the logic of their universes, ergo their words are meaningless as they do not know what they are talking about.
Just because someone is a writer does not mean that they can just put it whatever they want, once again, they are bound by the internal logic of the work itself. Once the rules are in place, they cannot be broken. This is why retconning anything is a very dangerous thing even for the best of writers, because it is attempting to warp canon, without breaking it. Sometimes this can succeed, see Supernatural's introduction of angels, or the change in power dynamics among the Imperials in Empire Strikes Back. Other times, it fails, the changes make no sense, and produce plotholes. See Supernatural's attempt to state that reapers are angels. Pretty much the entirety of The Originals falls squarely into the latter category, it pays no heed to established canon, and the writers have actually insulted the fans for daring to point this out.
Just because something is written does not mean that it is good, just because someone is an author, or a show runner, does not mean that their word is gospel. Everything is reflective of their ability to know and understand the canon of their work. Plec and Narducci failed.
That was...utterly anticlimactic. The only thing worth seeing was the vault creature, and that only took up about 2 minutes if that of the show. The stakes for finales on this show have ranged from the entire town at risk, to an entire species. And now...well Bonnie almost killed Enzo. Except that entire scene was drawn out to the point of being laughable.
Bonnie got depowered. Again. No wonder Kat Graham wants off the show, they keep play the same tune for her character over and over.
Damon's a bad guy again...who gives a crap? They've been trying to play the bad Damon for seasons now, it's nothing new.
Why the hell didn't they just use one of the corpses to open the door? They were littered around the place.
Damon just assumes that it's Elena, despite knowing that thing can mess with people's minds. That was ridiculous.
Also, the sheer forced-ness that the writers went through to avoid saying what the creature was was absurd.
And Ian really needs to stop that smirk.
The first old one wrote:
The hunted Bonnie for three years, used Mary-Louise for human experimentation, tried to open a vault that contained an unknown but confirmed to be some kind of evil, threatened to kill Caroline and Alaric.
And then there's just the basic fact that whatever that thing was inside there got out.
They only wanted Bonnie to do a single spell and otherwise had no intention of hurting her. Mary Louise isn't even a remotely good person so I don't feel sorry for her. In their defence they thought they could handle whatever it was with their weaponry. Stupid of course but at least they weren't dismissing the evil within.
Which is what makes Bonnie's move dumb since she trapped it with a bunch of powerful magical artifacts.
It doesn't matter if she wasn't a good person, using her as a guinea pig to see if the pills worked was wrong.
None of those artifacts are going to help, seeing as Alex could have just used them to get the Vault open if they could break through spells.
No it isn't indicative of every single members beliefs or actions that ultimately decide whether they deserve to die a death like that.
I'll have to strongly disagree. She wants to behave like a vicious animal then she can be treated like one.
Well Alex also had two siphoners for 3 years and never once had them siphon the spell. Hell whateevr is in the vault could probably put them to better use.
Doesn't matter their personal beliefs. They still sides with the Armory, forwarded their goals and plans.
If the dude who drove the train to Aushwitz (probably spelled that wrong) wasn't particularly fond of mass murder, he's still just as responsible for the death camps as the rest of them.
The hunted Bonnie for three years, used Mary-Louise for human experimentation, tried to open a vault that contained an unknown but confirmed to be some kind of evil, threatened to kill Caroline and Alaric.
And then there's just the basic fact that whatever that thing was inside there got out.
They only wanted Bonnie to do a single spell and otherwise had no intention of hurting her. Mary Louise isn't even a remotely good person so I don't feel sorry for her. In their defence they thought they could handle whatever it was with their weaponry. Stupid of course but at least they weren't dismissing the evil within.
Which is what makes Bonnie's move dumb since she trapped it with a bunch of powerful magical artifacts.
Enzo superior was the head of the Armory. So yeah, still indicitve for the Armory.
It doesn't matter if she wasn't a good person, using her as a guinea pig to see if the pills worked was wrong.
None of those artifacts are going to help, seeing as Alex could have just used them to get the Vault open if they could break through spells.
Actually yeah, Enzo's actions are representative of the Armory, he was doing what they told him to.
The hunted Bonnie for three years, used Mary-Louise for human experimentation, tried to open a vault that contained an unknown but confirmed to be some kind of evil, threatened to kill Caroline and Alaric.
And then there's just the basic fact that whatever that thing was inside there got out.
With regards to the Phoenix stone vamps. What happened to Julian's army?
Is it possible they all jumped into them?
I'm just spitballing.
Anyway, i dont wanna get into an argument about the definition of a word. I meant that i like that in the end, she never was on our side and an antagonist
Considering on The Originals the Mikaelsons have gotten to the point of reconciling with Finn, and the MFG is in shambles, there's a wonderful irony to that.
Anyway, i dont wanna get into an argument about the definition of a word. I meant that i like that in the end, she never was on our side and an antagonist
Was killing Stefan evil though?
Didn't locator and cloaking spells work on Rayna?
I think the only magic she was immune to is the kind that would damage her.
That's why you get a good view of your target before you shoot. Wow, way to make Matt's anger utterly petty.
So, what was in the Vault?
You/re referring to Tim? He was her childhood friend, she'd known him since she was 10 years old, and Klaus killed him, and had HIM come within the closest margin of killing HER, for no other reason than she tried to walk away and not be his weapon (or anyone's). If someone murdered YOUR childhood friend who you had developed romantic feelings for and tried to kill you, for no real reason.......would YOU get over it? Especially when the murderer continued on threatening and hurting and manipulating both you and the few other people in this world that you trusted and cared about (Marcel, Cami, Josh)?
Honestly, I think people who say "Well, she should just get over all of this, and move on! It's not like they did anything THAT bad to her!" aren't actually thinking it all through.
Every last one of the Originals enemies are justified in their hate; that's just a fact. They made these people hate them, and then have the gall to act outraged when their victims retaliate. I might love them, but the Mikaelsons are total hypocrites and monsters of the highest order.
If it wasnt for the plot armour she would be dead already, considering how many times she has been messing with the Mikaelsons.Â
--- Thats pretty much the only reason i dont like her, but i have no problem with her being on the show or anything, i mean i dont hate her character but she is a little bit annoying.
Because that's the logic your using. That because Davina dared to not just stand there and let the Originals use and abuse her, but fight for her right to make her own damn decisions-because let's not forget that Niklaus wanted to use her as a slave, Marcel at least genuinely cared about her, Niklaus just saw her as a weapon-she is responsible for everything they to do her.
It seriously disturbs me when people pull out this line of thinking, because that is just sick.
I wasnt even talking about that case alone... She STILL kept messing with the Mikaelsons AFTER ALL THIS... She couldve been doing her own thing, but she put Klaus down like 3-4 times ? Resurrected Mikael which almost resulted in Elijahs death too.
AND SOMEHOW SHE'S STILL ALIVE & IN GOOD TERMS WITH THEM?
THATS WHY I DONT LIKE HER.
They kept messing with her, and blackmailed her via threatening her friends. 'Doing her own thing' just give up, you mean. Let them get away with it.
Her ressurecting Mikael was in direct response to Niklaus' attack on Josh. Then after that plan, Kol wrapped her up in one that would let her dagger Niklaus to stop him from ever hurting her friends again. That was pretty much it.
You/re referring to Tim? He was her childhood friend, she'd known him since she was 10 years old, and Klaus killed him, and had HIM come within the closest margin of killing HER, for no other reason than she tried to walk away and not be his weapon (or anyone's). If someone murdered YOUR childhood friend who you had developed romantic feelings for and tried to kill you, for no real reason.......would YOU get over it? Especially when the murderer continued on threatening and hurting and manipulating both you and the few other people in this world that you trusted and cared about (Marcel, Cami, Josh)?
Honestly, I think people who say "Well, she should just get over all of this, and move on! It's not like they did anything THAT bad to her!" aren't actually thinking it all through.
Every last one of the Originals enemies are justified in their hate; that's just a fact. They made these people hate them, and then have the gall to act outraged when their victims retaliate. I might love them, but the Mikaelsons are total hypocrites and monsters of the highest order.
She needs to know her place, she's a 16 years old witch going against 1000 year old Originals vampires... I realize that Klaus was a dick & killed Tim, but it was still partially her own doing.
If it wasnt for the plot armour she would be dead already, considering how many times she has been messing with the Mikaelsons.Â
--- Thats pretty much the only reason i dont like her, but i have no problem with her being on the show or anything, i mean i dont hate her character but she is a little bit annoying.
So...following your logic, would France be responsible for its own terrorrist attack because it's part of the effort to stop ISIS?
Because that's the logic your using. That because Davina dared to not just stand there and let the Originals use and abuse her, but fight for her right to make her own damn decisions-because let's not forget that Niklaus wanted to use her as a slave, Marcel at least genuinely cared about her, Niklaus just saw her as a weapon-she is responsible for everything they to do her.
It seriously disturbs me when people pull out this line of thinking, because that is just sick.
Not really, he'd be considered more of a spree killer, or a mass murderer.Â
There's a huge difference between a killer and a serial killer. Serial killers do it because it's a compulsion all on it's own. There's a ritual to it. Identifying features in the murder itself.
Most vampires just kill because they're either hungry, or bored. It's not the same.
The closest to a serial killer vampire is Stefan, when he's so blood crazy that he rips people apart, and then puts the pieces back together.Â