I hate Elena's friendship with Caroline because Caroline is pissing me off. She is so judgmental and annoying. She is also very clingy and self - entitled. She is always meddling in other people's lives especially in Elena's because of her feelings for Damon. She always thinks she knows what's best for Elena but she doesn't. I really want Elena to admit to Caroline that she meant everything she said when her humanity was off. Since I believe that everything that Elena said is the truth because Caroline is exactly like how Elena said. I really hate Caroline and I want Elena to end her friendship with Caroline. Besides what has Caroline ever really done for Elena. Elena does not need Caroline in her life; Elena already has great friends in her life like Bonnie and Matt.
^^ Obviously you do care enough that you replied to my post. Too bad that you're stupid and blind just like Elena.
I really do not like Caroline because she is always butting into Elena's business especially Elena's relationship with Damon. Elena loves Damon and shouldn't Caroline just be happy for Elena instead of trying to trash Damon everytime and she does not know when to shut up. I do not feel sorry for Caroline one bit with the things Elena said and did to her when her humanity was off. There is a difference between being a concerned friend and crossing a line by overstepping your boundaries and Caroline always crosses a line. Caroline should not involve herself in situations that do not include her like Elena's relationship with Damon because it is none of business. I REALLY HATE CAROLINE !!!!!!
Indeed. He even said it himself in the season 4 finale and that's one of the things I always liked about his character, he never bothers with anyone's opinions about him.
What the hell tho like no one on this show is a perfect friend, every relationship is messed up and all drama, but Caroline and Elena have been through so much together and they truly care about each other and support each other.
And I completely understand Caroline and how she feels about Damon, because the guy basically used her, and when people say that "it isn't rape when Caroline jumped into bed with her" makes me wanna punch someone bc Damon was compelling her and hurting her, feeding from her, and the fact that Caroline didn't have free will does in fact make it rape and why would she forgive Damon for that?
I am not being anti Damon, because I actually don't hate him, but you have to see it from everyone's POV, if you were Caroline and a guy abused and raped you, would you forgive him? I don't think so.
she may not be the best friend ever but she does care about elena.all friends fight and have problems
Caroline is a shitty friend, I can understand her hate toward Damon (even when she should get over it) but in the same time beliving that Stefan is the holiest saint alive and saying that over and over again, and so trying to manipulate her friend is a really shit
To the person who said that Caroline should "get over it" in regards to Damon, let me put this into perspective. Yes, Caroline decided to invite Damon into her home for a one-night stand as a pick-me-up (yes, women do that and, no, it does not make them automatically evil for enjoying sex and using it to make themselves feel better. If a man can do that without being judged then so can a woman, that is what real feminism is: being treated equal), but then Damon fed from her and when she naturally got scared he compelled her into doing his bidding. Not just as a bloodbag and a henchwoman/minion, but also in regards to sex. Am I the only one who vividly remembers the scene where Caroline wakes up in bed with Damon, clearly terrified, tries to tiptoe her way outside her room so he won't wake and she can escape. Damon wakes up, menaces her, and bites her (with the implication that he compels her to have sex with him). In regular human terms, this is a form of sexual slavery. Damon did the vamp equivalent of roofying Caroline and taking advantage of her. He even went as far as to threaten to kill Liz, Elena, and Bonnie if Caroline didn't comply. Hell, Caroline was trapped in HER OWN MIND when this happened, wanting her body to run but not being able to do anything about it.
For people who claim that Caroline meddled too much in the Damon/Elena thing that was going on in season 4, keep this in mind: if your best friend all of a sudden started dating a guy who roofied and raped you (and kept it up for weeks/months), what would your reaction be? Hell, even without the "WTF are you doing choosing to forgive my rapist and socializing with him like nothing happened" aspect, Caroline must've been terrified that eventually Damon would do to Elena the same thing he did to Caroline. It's a VALID fear. On top of that, Caroline correctly guesses that Elena is sired to Damon. Yeah, that would not give a rape-survivor triggers or flashbacks (note the sarcasm), especially one whose will and ability to say no was taken from her. And, oh look, the sire-bond makes it so that Damon (someone who DID abuse the power he had over a woman in a SEXUAL manner) can take away Elena's freewill and agency. But, no, Caroline's meddling, worry, or fear is not valid at all.
Truthfullly, when Caroline said "At least Ripper Stefan wasn't a manwhore" (paraphrase, I know) to Elena, all I could think of was that some staff writer wanted to address the fact that Damon raped Caroline. The original line probably was "Say what you will about Ripper Stefan, but at least he wasn't a rapist." But then they remembered that they want Damon to be a "hero" and so that part of him was swept under the rug.
About Caroline seeing Stefan as a saint. True, there IS a bias. Caroline isn't a perfect being and she's not supposed to be one. Us fans love her for her strengths AND her flaws. Can she be judgemental, yes. Can she be controlling, definitely. She, and the narrative, ACKNOWLEDGE this. She's a person with flaws and virtues just like anyone else. But again, these characteristics and her experiences make sense when they come together. Of course she's going to prefer Stefan over Damon. Even if Stefan didn't mentor her and protect her from Damon (twice: the vervain in Caroline's drink and when he stopped Damon from staking her), she would still rather Elena be with the brother that didn't sexually enslave her. Again, this makes sense according to Caroline's personal experiences.
Also, for those who claim that Caroline is a hypocrite for sleeping with Klaus after all he put Elena through: watch the season one scenes where Damon controls Caroline and then compare them to Klaus trying to get blood from Elena. I don't know about you, but the former is infinitely more creepy and disturbing than the latter. Hell, Klaus acts mostly like a professional around Elena compared to the way Damon treated Caroline. Also, the fact that Caroline has been forced (due to her friendship with Elena) to socialize with her rapist and act civil around him rather than get her pound of flesh is already too much to ask of someone. When you ask your friend to act nice with their ex-predator (and they comply due to their love of you), you don't have any room to throw rocks at them if they decide to hook up with your own enemy. On the subject of hypocrisy, at what point is it hypocrisy and when is it "Caroline changes her mind like all people do when they evolve and adapt to the life experiences they accumulate"?
So, no, I don't believe that Caroline was a shitty friend for "meddling."
What do you think?