Besides the obvious theory that Aaron will try to use the new vampire-on-vampire violence serum on Damon out of revenge you think he'll actually use it or put it in a secret place and have it as a secret weapon against another vampire just in case one comes after him? I doubt Aaron would just give it back to Wes after he was such a dick when it came to Aaron's life.
Yes, TanithRea, I suppose you're right. It was just a possibility though, and Wes would have to make an antiodte and then the writer's would have to give hima reason to do that when--why would he when Aaron's gone--he has nothing to lose. Thanks.
LucretiaDebrev - your idea could pan out as if Wes has a new backer and he finds out that all his stuff is gone then that one syringe is what is left of his refined and perfected one dose serum. If Damon or one of our main characters went postal on it he would need them as well as the others would force him to help to save a main character. Where it is going in the next episode i don't know as why would Enzo and Damon have a beef with bonnie and Jeremy? And have you seen the trailer for next weeks - eeeeek for jeremy. Damon yum but looks like he's left the reservation again. Enzo is finding out that Stefan is Damon's real brother and has a much stronger connection to him. What would you like to see happen? Like your dream scenario? would you lean to D&E getting back together and what will happen to Kat?
I don't know what would happen to Katherine because if she's cast out of Elena's body ahe wouldn't have anywhere to go but to the Otherside unless Nadia put Katherine into that girl that's supposidly funding the Augustine Society. That's just a guess anyways, I don't know what will happen to Katherine but that's assuming everything isn't fixed in one episode--I'm hoping it'll take a while.
As for Bonnie and Jeremy...Maybe Enzo gets jealous when he realizes Damon's brother has more of an influence on Damon than he does and decides to take it out on Jeremy and Bonnie? Maybe Jeremy and Bonie both being mediums, Enzo and Damon want to send a message to someone on the Otherside or maybe get information from someone there....Idk.
As for Damon and Enzo being pals, I don't think it'll last for very long even if Damon's dark turn does. Reason # 1: Alaric is the foil for Damon and vise versa. Damon liked Alaric because he accepted him despite his evil nature. Alaric brought out the best in Damon and he didn't try to change him to the point of insanity (like enozo's doing or elena has done). Reaosn #2: Enzo wants to change Damon and belittles the good person Damon has turned into (saying he's gone 'soft'). Enzo uses Damon's guilt to suggest that if Damon kills Aaron he'll be that much closer to owning his forgiveness. Enzo also seems to suggest that if Damon doesn't kill Aaron, he's forgotten what happened to both of them in Augustine and is therefore undermining the extra 60 years enzo went through. By undermining Damon's 'good nature' Enzo is also undermining the influence Ric, Elena and Rose have had on him.
Considering the girls are at college and I'm guessing both Salvtore brothers are too, Damon and Enzo plan to make trouble for the Augustine Society, maybe Bonnie and Jer are just in cross fire? I couldn't really tell WHO grabbed Jeremy so it might not even be Denzo for all I know...
I've rambled a lot haven't I? :)
What are your thoughts/dream scenerios?
LucretiaDebrev: I was kind of hoping we could move on from the elena with Kat stuck in her sooner rather than later it was a prediction I dreaded being right about when the whole passenger topic was first raised. I don't want Kat to die and yet with her body gone I already feel like she can't be the same and may be headed out. If they put her in Sloan or even another random body it won't be the same. I think she has to go, and yet I think Nadia will do anything to prevent that.
I looked at the trailer again and I saw like Jeremy sitting in front of a fire, proberly tied to a chair. Then there is the bag and then Damon standing looking sadistic while lights explode which I assume is Bonnie. So are they trying to get her back to Expression? Maybe they need some magic or Damon usually wants something before hand unless they twig that Kat hasn't past over and he wants to know why, she refuses to help then Enzo goes for Jeremy? Enzo and Damon seem to go after someone else so there must be another piece to the puzzle as Damon only goes after something like that if he wants something really bad.
I really wish they had given us a little bit more about the direction of the series, I mean the others had overall aims and goals like you know there would be a climax in the sacrifice where Elena has to die and then there was a whole series where we knew it was leading to the cure and so on this one there is no real gameplan.
I think you are bang on with the Denzo analysis it was exactly what I was thinking. Alaric was the rock for Damon he told him when he was being an ass and was proberly the only person who could get away with it apart from Stefan and Elena. Damon listened to Alaric and was actually good for him in return as Alaric arrived as a wet behind the ears hunter but after accompanying Damon a few times learned quickly the real world applications of his weapons. I was with Damon when I was shouting in my head at the screen that it was silly of Enzo to grab Aaron. I mean how can saying if you kill this person I know you are on my side and with me and if you don't you are my enemy. Also the whole point of their epic revenge was leaving someone alive and now there will be no more Whitmores so short sighted on Enzo's part. When Damon says he is 'crystal clear' I think he is already forming an ulterior motive behind what he is doing and has decided this is the only way to get Enzo on side and also he needs to act out after the dumping of the century by Kat in Elena's body. I was disappointed that after all the changes he has gone through that he did exactly the same as he has in the past. Something goes wrong and then he lashes out or does something awful and here we are history repeating and each time he rationalises it to himself we end up 3-4 episodes later regretting it. Stefan says to Enzo to leave his brother out of it so it could be something Enzo is after and makes Damon help him out of as you say guilt over the 60 years he left him behind. I think Denzo will avoid campus as Damon is only reminded of the break up so he will stay clear of Elena. How kat plans on getting closer to Stefan might pull her out of College as she can't really be bothered with an actual education. Which will in turn upset Caroline and Bonnie but then locked in a dorm room pretending to be Elena 24/7 may quickly cause chaos in their friendships. The main goal for Wes is still to convert Vampires so he will pursue that serum or his research Sloan character will give him the money and maybe the fancy location in which he will be posed as another threat. He will want Enzo back he is his long term investment just running around loose maybe they do something about that. I think I remember the lady in thetrailer was one of the hosts at the Whitmore house when Kat enters as a human to prove Elena isn't a vampire and there was a lady at the door who then goes and tells Wes that he was wrong about Elena so Denzo must go on a Augustine wipe out parade. (lightbulb!) see if you rant long enough you just might loosen something interesting to fall out. lol
I love that Damon is a little scary again but I would really hate to see all the lovely bits disappear in him. He can be so....not sweet cause there is always a sincerity about him when he opens up and its not candy coated but he is gentle about it. I want more Delena and I am anxious about next weeks episode I hope it leads to some more clues about the series tone.
LOL I think I blabbed way tooooooo long on that one!
I didn't think about the woman at the party, nince incite, and I think you're right about what might happen with Dezno. Now that Katherine has possesion of Elena's body, do you think Elena is a ghost who can become a passenger and be put back into her own body and then have Katherine be 'exorcised? How do you think Elena is going to be back in her own body? By the way I agree, Katherine wouldn't be the same in someone else's body (meaning someone else pretending to play Katherine in their own body) it just wouldn't fit. But I don't want Katherine to be booted out eeither because I like the flare she adds to tvd. 'And how would Jeremy and Bonnie both be in [the same/related trouble] trouble if Jeremy is presumidly at home and Bonnie's at college?
I wonder if Alaric will be involved somehow? After all Elena is sort of in that realm isn't she? So it'd be the perfect opportunity to see some fimilar faces...at least having a conversation with Bonnie or Jeremy (or both of them) and Elena. Or do you think that's too much for for one episode? :)
LucretiaDebrev: I think Elena is still inside her body but its like a coma in the back of her brain. They say that the passenger will have permenant control so that Elena can't push forward and take over but they don't say that she is booted out completely so I think she is trapped in a kind of state and just can't access any of her body. Yip someone trying to be Kat would just be wrong at this point, and unless they can uncremate the body and bring it back the outlook long term for Kat is pretty bleak. I like her too, I love to hate her. She never learns and always and I mean ALWAYS has ulterior motives for anything she does and will always save her own skin over anyone else's. Although do you think she would sacrifice herself for Nadia? Intruiged if the mother daughter bond is actually the only thing would ever make an honest woman of Kat. I would like to see that tested out. Ah now in the last episode when they are freaking about missing Elena they say that they spoke to Bonnie and she is taking Jeremy on a trip to see her mum. So they are together at the moment. So if Denzo are after something then they would get their hands on both and would use Jeremy to get Bonnie to do whatever they want or at least try. They could on a slim chance be after Jeremy but I can't think what he has that would do either of them anygood, the only thing they have in common is that Bonnie and Jeremy can both talk to and interact with the other side. Could Alaric come to Bonnie and Jeremy in time of need and try to help them push Damon's buttons, give them information or tell them stuff about Damon he knows to try break the Enzo grip and save potentially Jeremy. Elena would have passed through Bonnie if she was on the other side and only if she died as Bonnie has to feel her death as she passes through her - that didn't happen to either of the the kat/Elena characters so perhaps they will twig on that. I would like to see Alaric again. I miss him, he was good with Damon although he was a little bit crazy near the end with the outing of the council and then he is technically a vampire and so he would be able to go with Damon a lot more than he did even as a human so that would be nice to see. We saw a tiny glimpse when Alaric was able to save Damon at super vampire speed from the 3rd werewolf venom laced bullet that Vaughn was going to shoot him with in the episode graduation (season 4). I think they could put all that in one episode they have done some big episodes before and usually always have one big thing in each one so you can guarantee a OMG moment every week. Do you think Stefan will kill Enzo and what will that spark out of Damon or will Damon kill Enzo to save Stefan if it comes down to choice?
If it came down to it I think Damon would choose Stefan over Enzo. The idea about Alaric is nice, he'd almost necssary, considering they're both mediums.It'd be nice to see Alaric in another episode! Also, I agree with you, they would have more use for Bonnie than with Jeremy and you make a valid point if Elena were dead she'd be...dead on the Other Side. But Isn't it true the spirits that go through Bonnie don't always go through when they've just died, so what if that's still left to chance? Then again, they would've done something like that at the end of an episode versus the begining of a new when when their's no cliff hanger. Damon might also realize that Enzo is a bad influence on him and if it's Enzo and Stefan fighting and Enzo tries to kill Stefan, Damon would never forgive Enzo. Do you think (hypothetically) if Stefan kills Enzo, would Damon be MIA, maybe get himself captured and put back into his old cell again, or do you think we won't see him for an episode or two while he rightfully mourns? Where do you think Elena is metaphysically? How do you think Stefan/Damon will react when Enzo is killed and 'Elena' has little to no sympathy for Damon's loss? What situation do you think Stefan would be in where he'd be forced to kill Enzo? :)
LucretiaDebrev: I love how you make my brain go into millions of ideas! lol I think you're right about they couldn't have killed Elena like that it was to underplayed and way to unstructured series wise.
Damon knows Enzo is bad news, you see it on his face when he comes home and finds him in the lounge with his feet on a body bag. He tells him they have already squared up and are even but he must not really feel like that as he does listen to Enzo and is pushed by his words of suggestion that if he doesn't do it he has gone soft. He is in a vulnerable point after the devastating moment with Kat/Elena's body (I think we should nickname her Katelena lol its easier) and wants to prove how hard and strong he is. Damon will kill Enzo if he tries to kill Stefan their bond even when he is on a danger spiral will stick to that. I think Stefan is going to find out about what they have been doing, I think he is there finding out about Aaron in the trailer and Enzo is disposing of the body when Stefan comes across him and threatens him that should he continue to push Damon and not get lost he will end him permanently.
I would liked to have seen more about Damon in the cell and to do with the Augustines as although there were lots of flashbacks Wes didn't do anything to him really. But I think the sadist in me would enjoy a little more angst lol. He will avoid capture at all costs, I mean he turned off his humanity and left Enzo to die rather than risk being re-caught so I think first sign of danger and he will scoot. I don't think he will mourn Enzo,i think he will do what he did with Alaric and while burying him have a moment, maybe remember another flashback to when he really needed him and he was his support and friend and then he will finish burying him and go home and drink a bottle of bourbon and be grumpy and not very talkative. If Stefan is the one to kill Enzo and its not because his life was in danger it was just to stop him I still think Damon will be less angry with Stefan. I mean when Damon killed Lexi Stefan staked him and he was genuinely surprised and it was a close call. Damon doesn't have as strong link as lexi and Stefan to Enzo so I think it would still be ok.
Elena I think is literally in the back of the brain, trapped in the subconscious without anyway of physically moving or controlling the body. Kind of similar to when Stefan was in the safe and would create the dreams in his own head to survive, I think she is in this kind of other place in her own mind just that Kat has her locked in a cupboard in a manner of speaking. Spells or Passenger killing knife I think will be the only way to get the cupboard door open and then Elena would be back in control. She won't have any idea of what Kat does in her body as we saw with Matt he had no memory of what Gregor was doing so he had to set cameras to record himself. Elena had no idea where she was when she came forward in the hotel with Nadia and didn't get a chance to answer the phone.
I was talking about this earlier today that Stefan is going to click about Kat, she is going to say something or do something that wasn't around Elena and he is going to be heartbroken because he knows Kat's body is dead and so it's Elena's body and we will see in his face as he hides it till he can find out more and talk to the others. I don't know if he thinks there is something wrong with Elena and Kat that he would tell Damon straight away I think he will want to know more first and then he would use it to tell Damon that it wasn't Elena that night that Kat took over and said all that stuff to pull him back around.
I think the brothers are going to go through a lot in the next few episodes emotionally and the fact that Kat can't sympathise is going to be one of the things that gives her away. She won't care about it, she has broken Damon so cares nothing for whats happening to him and only wants Stefan back which is something she has actually maintained since she turned up again. I think she really does want Stefan but she wants him to be the loved up submissive he was in 1864 and not the free thinking soulful guy he is now. He's still incredibly loving and sensitive but he is less likely to follow blindly he spent the last 145 of his 162 years getting some maturity, perspective and common sense.
Stefan maybe forced to kill Enzo to save an innocent, save a friend, or save Damon from doing something he can't come back from. He is more likely now than in the first 3 series to confront Enzo and Damon and then ask Enzo to leave with his life or face consequences of his actions should he overstep the line. If he warns Enzo to not do something and then he does it as I think Enzo thinks he's protected from Stefan by Damon but doesn't realise how strong their bond is.Where do you see Elena stuck at the moment? Do you think Damon is going to want to go back to Elena even after he finds out about Katelena? Does Elena maybe feel a little bit like some of the things Kat said were true and she would want to stay broken up because she can't be the only thing that hold him together? If they get back together and then she finds out about Aaron what will she say/do? Or will what killing Aaron and others he seems to be about to going to stop her from coming back to him and send him on a further spiral?
Where do you see Elena stuck at the moment? I think Elena is either inside her mind like you said or if she's a spirit of some kind, maybe she's still attached to her body so to speak and she's stuck going where ever katelna goes? Just a thought/hope though.
Do you think Damon is going to want to go back to Elena even after he finds out about Katelena? Maybe Damon might think, "Katherine must've gotten that break up spech somewhere from Elena's subconsicous...so she must really feel this way about me." Then again, Damon may realize those were only Kat's words.
Does Elena maybe feel a little bit like some of the things Kat said were true and she would want to stay broken up because she can't be the only thing that hold him together? I'd say so. From what I can tell Kat is very good at analyzing people's emotions so she can manipilate them, so I'd say her break up speech was her conclusion about how Elena feels but may not want to admit or may not even fully realize.
If they get back together and then she finds out about Aaron what will she say/do? I think Elena will be mad because for some odd reason she's not nearly as mad at Damon for killing Aaron's whole family as she would be if he killed one person. It's like the Joker said "You know what I’ve noticed? Nobody panics when things go “according to plan.” Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it’s all “part of the plan.” But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds!" Do you get what I'm saying? I mean she'll freak out when she finds out, she may even be glad for a while that Katelena broke it off for her. I hope she doesn't forgive him b/c Elena doesn't understand half of what Damon went through in Augustine (which I wish their was more of, totally agree with you there)
Or will what killing Aaron and others he seems to be about to going to stop her from coming back to him and send him on a further spiral? I'd say/hope it would send him spiraling but then again, Elena may just be happy to be back and she may take Damon back simply b/c she's missed him so much, not realizing Katelena caused him to have a nervous breakdown.
Want to do this prediction/hope/dream secenerio thing for the episode "No Exit"? I love your throught provoking questions and I would've have made this response so short but I've got a a test, two quizes and 2 body paragraphs for a paper due tomorrow! Please, l tell me what you think of 5x14, I want to hear your thoughts. -Lucretia :)
What do you think?