We keep assuming that Elena will hate Damon but what if at this point she's been stuck in limbo watching Katherine live her life and is so pissed that she herself is going to be in a self destructive mass killing mood when she gets back?
I mean she could probably be more pissed that no one figured it out in time then about what Damon is doing I can see her saying "Of course Damon went off the deep end that's what he does but guess what? I was stuck on the other side alone watching Katherine live my life while you all did nothing and guess what? I want to go off the deep end this time I mean Damon makes it look fun!"
I can see where it might be possible, although we saw in the episode that Elena is unaware if what happens when Kat is in control in vice versa. That kat has permanent control of the body is just that Elena is stuck inside and can't push through like before but she will proberly have no idea of time passing. In her mind It will jump from her running to Damon to when we get her back and the trauma will come when she finds out everything that happened to her body and her family and friends. Mainly I think how will she be about Damon when she comes back and discovers that he killed Aaron, Diane, and then let Enzo almost kill Jeremy? It's not going to be pretty. And now of course that added issue of Damon being a vamp ripper complicates things for any sort of happily ever after. Lol do you think it will be less about her not caring and more about how she can't process what hes done? I think she will be so upset and after knowing what the humanity switch does she will not go on her own bender but be angry and destroyed by Damon's actions. At the same time as being terrified of loosing him to Wes experiments. Because you don't stop loving someone suddenly and this was not a fall out of love breakup.
What I love about Elena's characters in TVD is her understanding. She has ability to see from other people POV. She knows how it feels when vampire hate someone, she knows how it feels when you wanna kill someone for revenge. She has her own experience on that. She knows when the humanity switch off vampire very capable to do the most horrible thing coz she once did it. In season 3, Stefan's coffins case, it almost similar. In his revenge process, Elena and Jeremy were both put in danger, live threatening moments. And yet, Elena could still find away to forgive Stefan.
So I think Elena could manage her way forgiving Damon. but how she's going to decide about her reltionship with Damon is up to her. But I believe her experiences this time will change her perspectives about everything forever.
I ike to think she could forgive him, but can he be brought back now? If she can come round to him and still love and care for him, plead with him even can he come back from this darkness that seems to have all but switched his humanity off again. He has thrown important relationships out the window and seems unbothered by that. Projecting his pain and anger outward seems to be his only coping mechanism but with the serum now in place that darkness he spoke of is now at the driving wheel with no control. She can't get him back till they stop him, but how do they do that? And although i could see that she could still forgive Damon for everything as really it falls on kat's head can Damon forgive himself?
Doesn't Damon always have this "i don't care" expressions? Always joking around and give impressions that nothing's matter? He's well known for that. He never let anyone knows his true feeling and always try to hide it. Only few people recognize this about Damon. I'm new to this show, but I do like it so that I watched all the episodes. He went from wanting destroy MF to want to save it. He went from not caring about someone to really care about someone, even fall in love with Elena. But he came to this point not without reason. His reason is becoz he found someone who believe that he worth saving and can be saved. This is the reason that made him want to start to bring up his humanity. Elena's love is just a bonus. when Elena's repeating the same words as Kat's when rejected him at season 2 he snapped. But that's not the case in season 3. He handle it well, means that he has new understanding. There's no indication in season 4 that he tried to seduce Elena like he used to be in the previous seasons.
Season 5 circumstances really hard for Damon. He met the ghost from his horrible past, Enzo. A friend he let to die so he could save him self. Clearly he felt guilty, and I think he wants to redeem himself to Enzo. I think he knew if he wanted to redeem himself to Enzo he would've eventually follow their old revenge plan. He was conflicted. In his mind, there are two possibilities, Elena will defend him which means he changed her to be as bad as him, or Elena will against him but since he will do it anyway it will means that he will hurt her and their relationship. And I think this is why he chose to let Elena go (break up) and I think this is where his words "I refuse to change you" came from.
His speech to Elena, in 5x13, basically saying that he was wrong for having a thought that Elena will get influenced by his dark side and make her change to a bad person like him. He was underestimating Elena's good quality as a person. And he needs her to be his good influence. Kat actually didn't understand what he's talking about. Her respond confused Damon becoz she talk about her worries of him lashing out when he didn't get what he wants. Kat's respond is a common respond from people who doesn't know him well. Common respond from people who always think that Damon cannot be saved. This what break his heart, Elena lose her faith that he can be saved. Her line: It's about you... about the person I can't change.. the person you really are. That person was right to let me go. basically comfirmed his fear that he is a bad influence for Elena, and that she admit that he would change her become worst. He's a bad influence becoz he just bad. Damon translate this as now Elena really thinks that he is a monster without redeeming quality just like everybody does. becoz Elena he knows is someone who never lose hope, so when Elena lose hope in him, he believe he's hopeless. So then with this belief, Damon redeem himself to Enzo by proceeding the revenge plan Enzo offered in a monstrous way, in Enzo's way. At least he could redeem himself to someone who once meaningful to him. Honestly, I believe his revenge plan has nothing to do with his pain. He will do that for Enzo no matter what. maybe, if Elena's there, he will do it not in such extreme way. But since there's only Enzo, so yeah Enzo's way rules. LOL
So to the question if Damon can forgive himself, I'd say he would when he can see that there's someone still have faith in him genuinely. But I don't know if he could if somewhere along the show the writer decide to add more obstacle to his redemption by making him hurting Elena (maybe feeding from her) to the point of her death (or almost death)
Justgetused2it - long posts are great keep it up!
I agree that he went from not caring about the town and people to developing relationships even friendships that he hasn't had in decades. It was his drive to get kat back that kept him going but it was being drawn to the warmth of Elena that seemed to soften him more. Not that he was soft lol he is lethal and you never want to get on his bad side lol. Obviously when he finds out his faith in kat's love was pointless his world falls apart. His connection to Elena is so much stronger that it is clear the break would be even more devastating. Elena was so against him but then she could see through the don't care facade he puts up. He resisted at first but then he craved it, wanted her approval and attention. Then he cared again, kat had come back and finally shot any chance she had in manipulating Damon that she ever loved him but he didn't care later on because he had found something more substantial. He has had it hard full stop, and season 5 has so far been the pinacle of his humanity for half a century and the lowest too. It's a lot so stuff to get through.
I was discussing with others and we were surprised at how much and how quickly he discarded the bond he had built with Jeremy - how do you think about it?
The Enzo relationship has come about because he has a void after Katelena has broken him and he is no longer assertive as he was with Enzo when he said they were even. Then Enzo plays on his vulnerability with giving him a way to let it out at the same time pulling on guilt about leaving Enzo behind and thinking he was dead and not re-captured and still being tortured.
Do you think Stefan will be the one to save him? From himself and the serum now taking control?
Another big post would be great lol yay! ;)
I think Elena will care what he does, but will somehow understand as it was all Kat's fault that Damon was pissed at himself as Kat called Damon "a monster that will never change" as Elena. I don't think she will get back with him, but will help Stefan rehabilitate Damon towards humanity and off that ripper serum if possible.
For the Damon situation, i once read a theory about a second cure where Wes has a contingency, a cure for the serum if it was injected in someone Wes cared about. Maybe they find this cure inject in Damon, kill Wes, allowing the Travellers to become the main antagonists, and a cured devasted Damon, who will be cared by his friends.
If this is not the case, magic is always the answer on TVD, where Liv comes in, (and hopefully a restored Bonnie), we could always dream lol.
Another question, what will Enzo's new role be towards this ripper Damon? Wtf do the travellers want with the doppelganger blood? Is it possible for Tyler to become a new villian? We'll find out on february 27, i hate the olympics...
What do you think?