Cleo Sowande

I have a few ideas on how to make legacies and any other tvd related project succeed if they return, some of it Ive said a dozen times, some might not be

In no order of importance-

First off as stated many times there needs to be a danger to the protagonists that somewhat lacked on legacies, I think we need to move beyond how many protagonists that can be killed off, I think its been established as bad as that is, to make a true villain they should do a worse fate than death, I dont think that would happen however.

Stay away from the complicated mythology, luckily it wasnt too bad with the gods stuff although a few times I think I was like huh, I mean even the fury stuff was confusing. But even a fantasy nerd as myself cannot stand this overcomplicated mythology. I almost wanna say throw away all the rules at this point cause there isnt 100% consistency. Im not saying you have to make this franchise flat out stupid but lets remember this is still entertaining art first not homework.

Do not bring back monster of the week, it was a failed experiment, I guess they could still incorporate monsters but they were never handled greatly, I mean idk, I think maybe they should just bring in shapeshifters as the only new species left and call it a day.

Answer any remaining questions that are too vague and flat out need visual explanation. Some can be answered via clues but some you have no choice but to show. And tbh Im not a fan of fans(no pun intended) having to fill in the blanks for the writers, it kills the reason we go to see tv shows so someone else can do the great writing for us and we tune into see it.

As usual try to dial back on plot errors or just even common sense errors, like I'm a bit more lenient on errors in the magic stuff cause its hard to put realistic rules on a subject like magic, its hard to get mad at inconsistency. But some stuff like cleo having the power to inspire ideas in people is not good of an idea due to common sense, stuff like that.

Sort of going back to the answer questions bit, they need to take full advantage to dive deeper into villains motivations and personas. They simply didnt do a good job at explaining the motivations of malivore, ken and necromancer as to past villains, there was still vagueness within them. That bothered me alot.

No more filler, that is an extension of no more monster of week but like no more therapy box/hallucination episodes

I still think the human characters at best need to be guest stars simply for the fact this is a show/franchise about the supernatural not the natural. Its also established in tvdverse the supers are in the minority compared to humans.

I am not gonna say we need more cameos cause unless its to do with the story then I dont think they are needed.

Imo these are the main issues to cover in order for legacies and potential spin offs to succeed so they dont mess up again.

Does anyone buy into the potential idea they are setting up to kill off hope this season cause it just feels weird they would set up a weapon that can kill her yet not use it, every other unique weapon was used to kill so and so, dahlia, the hollow, cade and of course the originals, the only one who never tasted true death was rebekah but every other original got wasted by the one weapon that could destroy them so does anyone believe its possible or just a big false tease? Cause you have this new triad coming in about we want you dead hope, you got cleo having visions of some tree, you got landon on his way back who is the only other person apart from malivore who knows of the tree, and if they have alaric die its going to give lizzie motivation to find the weapon cause she seemed to be wanting to kill her.

Its just interesting how the ultimate monster hunter is now going to step into the monsters shoes where all the protagonists want her dead this time.

So now that hope is a tribrid without empathy for others and if this season is promised to be darker who should she kill or at least crippled beyond magic being able to help, who should it be and why?

The options are-

Alaric

The gemini

Jed

Ethan

Wade

Mg

Kaleb

Clarke

Rebekah

Cleo(if it happens it wont be till later cause she is a series regular this season and I doubt it would just be 4 episodes)

Dorian

I think that is everyone on the active roster im not putting damon, elena, etc.

Now that mal is dead, much like clarke what are they going to do with her, her backstory seems to have been confided to certain subjects-muse for malivore, fall for leonardo, trapped in pandoras orb and then released. So we were told in a spoiler her time in malivore will leave her changed cause of confronting past demons, well I think its time she finally finds out who killed her family in that fire. Um if I had to guess what will happen is time travel is going to be introduced, cleo will go back in time and idk if she can or cant interfere but see who set her familys house on fire and go to get vengeance on that person if they still live. Now onto who they maybe, personally I can already see malivore getting that revenge but by sending someone to do it, its highly possible he sent the vitruvian man since he was the last creation cleo made for him, idk if malivores other failures will ever come into play I have theories on all that but it wouldnt shock me the least bit if its clarke, he sends clarke to go kill her family to go in his good graces. If not clarke then someone else but the lack of casting announcements implies it could be him.

Now that malivore is dead what exactly do you think they even have intended for him giving the writers benefit of doubt. I mean he is human and who knows where his residence was while he worked at triad who knows if he can go back to that. Tbh I struggle to think of what they can do with him. I do think the idea of him being a supernatural again needs to come into play im not a fan of him as human and ill take him being a vampire over what he is now like he referenced to. If they ever found a way to explain malivores other failures which are clarke and landons siblings and rafaels stepsiblings I suppose that could be interesting to create some mikaelson type dynamic, problem is they would have to bring something to the table interesting cause the way clarke talked about them made them seem anything but. It be interesting I guess if he has a storyline intertwined with cleo cause both are the oldest beings I think in mystic falls left and maybe she goes to him to find her sisters killer. Some people might say he comes back to help destroy triad, problem is they are already destroyed, they disbanded and left behind all their work so unless they become supernaturals I dont see the reason for them to come back and I'd hate if he joined them and turned on hope after all the progress he has made to become good. But anyone have other ideas?

I was reading about the girl Cleo from Legacies and it said she created monster for Malivore to consume. I am bit confused can she only create golems or can she also create regular monsters like Dullhan or Dragons.

The characters being cleo, malivore, ablah and pothos and its not them who are unseen but rather their family who are and mentioned throughout the series

Cleos sisters

Malivores failures

Pothos family

Ablahs sisters

Why do you all think malivore wants cleo cause its revealed as more than revenge, he had some inspiration from her and instead of killing her he locked her in the dark dimension, and even all those years ago when she made him his vessel he clearly wanted more from her. Idk what it could be though, it cant be to make his phoenix forms unless its revealed he is unable to get his phoenix powers back and she is his 2nd best option to create phoenixes loyal to him and he merely used landon as a means to an end for manipulation rather than reviving the phoenix side.

Im curious if you all have theories of your own perhaps better than mine.

What would be the 5 biggest pros and cons of season 3 of legacies now that its over?

For me personally:

Pro 1-Malivore finally got out

Pro 2-clarke came back

Pro 3-3x04 was a good episode, the best imo

Pro 4-Cleo as a character was alright enough

Pro 5-The star wars parody was kind of good

Cheating here-another pro the action was decent considering working under a pandemic

Now onto the cons

Con 1-Still filled with too many useless characters

Con 2-The reasoning for cleo's character makes no sense

Con 3-The 80s horror simulation episode

Con 4-The musical and its not that they sang bad, well I didnt even really watch much of those, its just it felt so out of place here im sorry

Con 5-Lack of cameos of tvd alumni

Cheating here, four bonus reasons-never explained why necromancer last season had chad dig up pothos body cause I was under the assumption that was leading to something but became pointless cause alyssa said bring him and all the creatures back, and other con being they chickened out on the sphinx prophecy and never came to total conclusion. con 3 being they never take cleos backstory to show who killed her sisters and con 4 being not bringing in new faces who were teased but never shown like malivores failures

Im not going to list hope not being a tribrid or the merge not happening yet ill be fair and say those have a time and place of happening. And I know someone is going to put rafaels death as a con but not cause he died but cause some fans are convinced the king arthur thing was leading to some great storyline and I disagree, it was just some thing and ended at that, I still dont see what avenues it was going down that fans insist had potential of.

As a Muse, could Cleo create a creature powerful enough to defeat anyone, or did her Muse powers have limits?

Yes, I know she needs to draw and if she uses too much power, she gets weak like an ordinary witch, but could she, for example, create a stronger creature than the Originals or the Malivore itself? You must say that if she could, she would have created it already, but forget about the script that there are several flaws, for a minute, and let me know what you think. We saw that everything has a gap and not everything has only one way to destroy

Certain names got dropped or hinted to in this show that have villian potential within them as well as current faces and they are:

The person that cursed the gemini coven

The person who killed cleos sisters

Mg and kalebs sires

Malivores children

The person who has prevented malivore from getting out and who sent necromancer back(they might not be a helping hand to the salvatore school as we think)

Triad again(what would they bring differently to the table this time)

Dark josie and dark alaric (what would they bring differently)

And then certain students- lizzie, ripper mg and flip switched tribrid hope

Im not going to put people who are somewhat on neutral like aurora or a past villian like katherine and kai, those are dead horses I no longer wish to entertain the idea of a return and I see no way a monster besides malivore would be a side villian cause that is the point of motw to make these monsters have their 1 episode of fame and onto another and so forth, its going to be vampires, werewolves, witches and humans as the villians if I had to guess to work alongside malivore.

If you can believe it we are already at the season finale and the promo says it reveals all which if they are referring to every single mystery set up in the franchise let alone legacies I dont buy that but I do believe it will reveal some things

And the main mysteries being are:

How can cleo get out malivore

Why cant he get out but his monsters can

Why is clarke back

Id like to know the situation with necromancer, like his limbs were left behind in the prison world but he got sent back as amnesiac ted, i dont get it, i guess malivore sent him back to get him out of his life once and for all.

Also who killed cleos sisters would be a nice reveal which im guessing is malivore but maybe its a new villian

I think that is all the mysteries set up this season

Hopefully some people who arent monsters die and one of them being hope, its been a long time coming and hopefully malivore finally gets out and stays out, no more setbacks please

But what do u all hope to see and please make it realistic hopes

Since Kol mentioned he went and traveled the world a lot and had been to Africa, It is a possibility he saw the coven/village of Cleo. If this is true, it could be an amazing oppertunity to let Kol return for a moment.

What does everyone want to see in these last 7 episodes of this season of legacies?

Just a few for me personally-give us malivore permanently, no more of this he goes away and comes back, just have him stick by

Hope becomes tribrid already

Improve motw to make it impactful

Kill off student characters

Reveal who killed cleos sisters, was it malivore or someone else

Bring in the other malivore creations already

I can hold off on the merge, cause id bet money they wont do that story for real until the twins are 22, right now they are 17 i think

I don't understand two things Cleo said to Alaric.

1) What did she mean by "My grandmother's precious granddaughters."? Is it means that her sisters told her about her grandmother's death or what? I don't understand why she mentioned her sisters in this conversation.

2) The second thing is her grandmother's afterlife. If she went to "heaven" aka Bright World aka Found Peace, why did Cleo said she watches over her as ancestor? After all, that would indicate that her village was practicing ancestral magic and had their own Ancestral Plane. But if that's true, and she is an ancestor in their village Ancestral Plane, she couldn't see Cleo in Mystic Falls like Davina (when she was in New Orleans Ancestral Plane) couldn't see Kol outside New Orleans. Unless by the ancestor she meant the Spirits (spirits of witches) at Peace, then it would make sense that her village was practicing spirit magic.

Cleo: My grandmother's precious granddaughters.

Cleo: She at least was safe from Malivore.

Cleo: Having ascended into the heavens.

Cleo: I believe she still watches over me as ancestor.

Cleo: It was her power running through my veins that helped me infuse the artifact I inspired Leonardo to create with magic that could shield me from Malivore.

Im referring to the pandoras orb and i guess the impact that came from it. I mean I feel there is an obvious answer that cleo came from it and she has inspired people over the years for ideas like rasputin, napoleon and hope recently. Maybe she is an immortal witch. But what do you think is the cause of the ripple effect that seems to be happening mostly in the prison world, points being:

malivore is stuck but his monster prisoners arent

how are the monsters getting out

why cant necromancer resurrect himself

why were hope and landon able to be touched and harmed despite being astral projections

and i guess we still count the skull faced hunter and what they are all about

i suppose we can also count why do we have simulandon but where is the real landon

to me this is the most engaging mystery right now, all tied to this orb thing, i guess they are trying to say its pandoras box but its sphere shaped instead? But what are all your theories, what do you think this is all leading to?

The Hunter has appeared in multiple episodes and appears not to be going anywhere so l am curious as to why The Hunter does not have its own wiki page instead of being on list of guest characters who have only appeared once.

Now i’m only 10 minutes in but the new episode feels like a completely different series with the ghost, Cleo and Hope. I’m not sure how the rest of the people will play out but I’m really enjoying it so far. I also think Hope may die as that is a speculation going around that she’ll die in this episode. At the start when she was being positive and says “nothing will keep me from being positive today” I feel like that could be a gateway into her dying.

What are your thoughts on Cleo? Personally I loved her character for the brief time that we have seen her and already I love her and Hopes friendship! I hope we get more information about her and her sisters, I actually thought it was funny how she got a last name before Jed!