Landon Kirby

Im going to get alot of hate for this maybe but I gave it a 2nd thought I think malivore should have remained the main villain of legacies through the whole way. There was a point where I did want a villain season by season and I was sick of malivore but Im at a point where Id rather take a single stretched out villain who gets full character progression than these quicker newer ones cause take in instance who we are having as final villain which is ken which yeah he has cool powers and menacing but he has a dull persona and by tomorrow he will be in the show for what his fifth time? and probably get killed tomorrow, that isnt enough time to develop a big villain. And to me the whole end of the world plot is so overdone and not realistic in a sense cause lets say he did do that, he'd have an empty planet to rule over and whether aurora be at his side or not, I feel he would go insane due to boredom from lack of people, it be one thing if he hates himself and everyone who lives and breathes and he wants to take down everyone with him but that isnt the case here, he wants to rule over nothing. At least malivore wanted to target specific groups, we never got fully explanation of why but at least it wasnt ending everyone.

And yeah there is aurora who is a stretched out villain but it just seems to be repetitive where she falls for these men who arent meant for her but her vampire side is barely explored not to mention the one man who was not toxic to her she wanted no part of aka lucien.

I think what happened why malivore got taken away, okay Im speculating Im not saying this is concrete proof but I think fan backlash over the malivore character drove plans away cause he was originally meant to be a threat over entire series to seperate himself from typical tvd villains. I think had he stayed in landon in 3x04, none of this seperation thing it would have came off better cause he finally have a voice and believable form other than playdoh statue, had him stop bringing out monsters, use physical and mental attacks on hope and the students, all these methods tried to use to kill him and it dont work, he eventually becomes full on phoenix he fights tribrid hope in the finale and hope of course kills him but it feels more earned I suppose is the word. Idk if any of you agree with me or not. Cause I dont care what anyone says even if you hate the malivore character, just the concept of his dimension is terrifying, being alone in darkness forever, that is much more terrifying than killing a character who ends up going to peace anyway.

We still havent exactly found the sources of immortality for a few species so does anyone wanna take a guess what/who it is:

Necromancer

Malivore

Phoenix

Gods

Maybe add in dahlia, the hollow, cade

So with what to expect now what do you all want to see happen in the last 3 legacies episodes? Im not going to say dont ask for new arcs but lets be realistic, this is really going to be about ending arcs than starting ones.

One major hope for me is closure on the landon and necromancer arcs cause they've been dragging this story and I dont know where the writers are going with it which could be a good thing or bad thing.

Im guessing once ken is taken care of, the monsters will be an non issue as well so the students wont have anymore issues and the main squad will become the teachers of the school, that is my guess.

Can someone remind me what was the prison world rafael got sent in bound to?, cause if it was at least part lizzie, couldnt his world have crashed when she died when hope killed her?

At the same time we havent seen him in limbo unless they use excuse he couldnt find landon at first. That is assuming he and his parents spirits went into limbo.

Anyone want to guess where his fate will be by end of season cause unlike ken I cant see what fate the writers have planned for necro nor do I know where its going which honestly is a good thing, this is to a point unpredictable but at the same time I dont see a happy ending cause the guy is quite evil and I know landon probably wants him out of his life but I cant see him send him to peace either cause he will pester his mom for all eternity.

Like some people dont want to hear this but the only person who could get necro out of way is malivore if he absorbed him again but other than that necro's arc is directionless, there is no teases of where its going but I want to hear from all of you.

Who do you think should be the unexpected visitors that pop up to landon in episode 19 and hope/lizzie in episode 20?

On my fanboy wishlist in episode 19 it would be kai, sebastian and malivore

And in 20 it would be klaus, elijah, damon and valerie.

But who are your choices.

In the event of kens death(if he dies) and his spirit doesnt just poof into nothing I think hope needs to find a way to send his spirit to a different dimension than limbo, I fear if he goes there he will take out his anger on landon and every soul within that dimension so I feel the only other dimension that is large and powerful enough to hold him is malivore dimension since its endless, idk how hope will be able to decide what dimension to send him in but I feel its the only one he can legit stay in, I think kens fear of malivore was somewhat legit and not just a facade. Now whether malivore the character returns is another story but he might be able to hold ken there as his eternal prisoner.

Ok, so Landon and Hope are immortal and also both have been born even if their parents couldn't have kids(Klaus and Malivore).

Also Both of them can be killed only by one weapon(the golden arrow and the red oak stake) and both have immense power(phoenix and tribrid powers)

So what if both of them are gods?

The thing that really makes this theory possible is the fact that Hope put Alaric in coma and Alaric arrived in Limbo.

The Limbo is for humans and supranatural who died not humans who ended in coma. Alaric was still alive, even if it was nearly braindead.

So what if Hope used a power that she didn't knew she had.

I mean it could be a nice twist if they reveal that Hope is the God of Death and Landon the God of Life or something along those lines. Also these will tie in with hope new status of Undead and the fact that Landon is the only immortal without undead status. + It will go with the new god storyline and maybe give some new powers to Landon while giving his old powers back.

What abilities should the following human characters have cause Im tired of human characters flooded into a supernatural show, I dont see the reason for it.

Alaric(revert back to original vamp or something else)

Landon(revert back to phoenix or something else)

Clarke(become something else cause the golems were not meant to be supernatural)

Dorian

Just out of curiousity I decide to take some guesses at what the last episode of legacies could look like going at the rate its going, I personally dont think it has much left in its tank, I could be wrong and it go on for years to come but here is a guess what could come in the final episode of legacies-

Hope and landon are going to be a full couple again, landon will help hopes humanity back on and help find a way for them to have a child.

Lizzie will get together with mg or ethan or both

The school will be either shut down or hope, lizzie, etc will be the new teachers for the younger generation.

Someone will get married, its such a common theme within finales anymore, I can see it happening here, I cant take a guess at who.

The final battle will be between the squad and the "gods"

A monster will make an appearance, maybe malivore and necromancer will appear

The triad will be officially closed down for good.

They will fit in penelope, jade, josie, rafael, freya and caroline as cameos.

Does anyone have their own list of whom you would like to see resurrected along with alaric, ted and landon? Only conditions is these would have to be beings in limbo so anyone who is in peace is exempt, rafael is exempt cause he is in prison world. Malivore I guess is also exempt. Believe it or not tristan I think is exempt cause the serratura I think keeps him down in that containment spell forever so not even he can do a reunion with his sis.

Im going to say something controversial but I wouldnt mind if landon isnt landon right now in limbo but its malivore, I dont want malivore back as a villain but I think he has more potential to develop his character than landon does to be honest, there were unanswered questions regarding him, I have no questions about landon, at least nothing important.

Obviously he would be looking for a way back but idk if he could come back redeemed that be awesome. Besides who knows maybe he can give hope a run for her money this time.

Till now Landon and Alaric are the only human characters in Legacies(even if they been supranatural at one point). We don't know if and when Alaric will come out of his coma but is sure that Landon will come back to life to bring back Hope's humanity(even the writers teased that in the promotional posters).

We don't know for sure if Landon comes back as a phoenix but if it comes back as a human what do you think if Hope turns him into a vampire: like he returns to life,drinks some blood from Hope(that the Salvatore School has) and then he goes after no humanity Hope and she kills him(is not the first time he is killed as part of his "plan" remeber fake-Cupid in season 2) to trigger her emotions back.

That should make all the people happy: Landon is not defenseless anymore,Hope has done something awfull when she was with no humanity, the show will not be about their ship anymore like Hope has to deal with triad and with what she has done when she had no humanity(also she has done something awfull and the no humanity thing wasn't for nothing),Landon gets his own story(non Malivore-related or Hope-related) and gets some development finally to his character(I mean I am very sorry for his actor, he gets the worst storylines possible)

As for when should expect Hope's humanity back and Landon's return to the land of the living the safe bet is Season 4 Episode 9 "I can't be the one to stop you"

The Theory time is here guys. I will start with Alaric and Landon Returning.

I think both of them will return next episode because Hope will be at the school and also Landon was seen into the trailer + Hope has some second thought about her humanity being off. Maybe Alaric tells Landon what is happening and Landon searches for a way back and recovers his powers. I think Alaric will be back as well but only for short time because at this moment his involvement in the story is ZERO. Also the only stories that really needs him will be The Merge or some Vampire Hunting( if the show wants to go back to basics but there are very little chances. Also the school has a very short number of students and he needs to recruit more. Also Alaric is one of the oldest characters in TVD as a main character.

For the villain side off story at the moment we have 100% confirmed Triad and The Merge(Gemini Coven Ghosts and other monsters that have the way to stop the merge) but we have some 50/50 as well:

• Clarke's girlfriend: at the end of the latest episode we see Clarke's girlfriend being surprisingly interested about the supernatural world and because this plot will involve Clarke maybe finally will have some closure for him as a character and also some interaction between him an Landon. I can see something like that happening

• Klaus has enemies: The Mikaelsons haven't always been the most good relatives. As the matter of fact only Freya was mentioned and shown in the most hard situation. She was the only one who was there for Hope. Rebekah was there but she wasn't the best aunt. In the season 2 Freya said that has a son(witch or werewolf, we don't know for sure) that wants to send to Salvatore school and if she decides to do so it will be a treat for the fans to see her for 3-4 episodes with her son and Hope in Mystic Falls and one of Klaus oldest enemies to show up( the most wanted will be Mikael because if Freya has a werewolf son that will make Michael very angry. Esther and Finn duo is also on the list and as TO showed they always find a way back and we know Esther has a grudge about vampires imagine what she will think about Hope The Original tribrid that has no weakness and I say that because we don't know that that stake that Cleo has will work because her power doesn't make it she always is right go see episode 2 of this season. And if Esther is involved her sidekick the zombie that always follows her commands Finn, Dahlia can also be invited. But that doesn't mean that a new villain that has a grudge on Klaus and his family will be bad, actually will be welcomed with open arms.)

• Nature: we know that the force of nature wants Hope dead so what about the entire force of nature being a invincible creature that goes after her. That will make for a hell of a fight.

It is unknown if we will see this villains below but like the most of the fans I want some villains to be in the show:

• Kaleb sire

• MG sire

• MG's mother being back as a villain

• Sirens

• And this is an idea of mine Hope being split into three(because she is a tribrid) every one of the having a different power and personality like one werewolf Hope is brave and honest, witch Hope shy and like Josie in season 1 and vampire(original) Hope a mini-Klaus in season 2 or three of TVD. And vampire Hope creates chaos and makes MG(because is a reaper) to switch his humanity off and the Squad and the two good Hope try to stop them. And if Vampire Hope dies so the rest of her versions. And also this will make the perfect moment to kill Mg off in way because and offer him a story i don't even see his role in the show at this moment besides comic relief and a love triangle between Lizzie,him and Ethan(honestly i prefer Ethan and Lizzie).

Also i have a theory about how the should end: Hope and Landon being immortal beings running the school. Josie being a hybrid (vampire-witch) and Finch a hybrid created by Hope to save her life recruiting more students. Alaric and Klaus both reach Peace together, Lizzie and Ethan being married with a full life ahead, Cleo and Kaleb hunting evil vampires, Jed being a real alpha and MG dead(i hate MG with all my heart because his role in the story and the fact that he is really the blame for what happened with Landon and Hope: if he give the ascendant to Hope she will saved Landon before Malivore got him and none of this will happening right now. And the fact that he single made the decision to keep the ascendant secret and not to save Landon even if he was the one in problems Landon will be there for him with no seconds to think. Also making the decision to be in Hope's team even if he knows that means killing Landon and Cleo i mean I am honestly amazed by what this kid thinks about himself as being a hero even if he doesn't know the first thing about being a hero and not forget he killed Landon one time, honestly Hope put Landon above everyone else only few times and she is hated and MG the worst and selfish choices in the show, like telling Ethan that he loves Lizzie, why he gets with nearly Zero haters?) The finale season should happen after a flashfoward and everyone returning after being away from each other for 5-7 years or so to save the school.

What do you think about this theories ?

Does anyone buy into the potential idea they are setting up to kill off hope this season cause it just feels weird they would set up a weapon that can kill her yet not use it, every other unique weapon was used to kill so and so, dahlia, the hollow, cade and of course the originals, the only one who never tasted true death was rebekah but every other original got wasted by the one weapon that could destroy them so does anyone believe its possible or just a big false tease? Cause you have this new triad coming in about we want you dead hope, you got cleo having visions of some tree, you got landon on his way back who is the only other person apart from malivore who knows of the tree, and if they have alaric die its going to give lizzie motivation to find the weapon cause she seemed to be wanting to kill her.

Its just interesting how the ultimate monster hunter is now going to step into the monsters shoes where all the protagonists want her dead this time.

In the promo of the next episode at the end we hear a voice similar with Clarke and also we see a dead body and now with Hope being against Triad it would make sense to go after Clarke and maybe then Clarke meets Landon on the other side and helps him to return and finds peace

I've been thinking here, if Hope stabbed Landon/Malivore, then technically he didn't die, and if the blood was in his system like a knife, did he turn into a vampire?

Now that malivore is dead what exactly do you think they even have intended for him giving the writers benefit of doubt. I mean he is human and who knows where his residence was while he worked at triad who knows if he can go back to that. Tbh I struggle to think of what they can do with him. I do think the idea of him being a supernatural again needs to come into play im not a fan of him as human and ill take him being a vampire over what he is now like he referenced to. If they ever found a way to explain malivores other failures which are clarke and landons siblings and rafaels stepsiblings I suppose that could be interesting to create some mikaelson type dynamic, problem is they would have to bring something to the table interesting cause the way clarke talked about them made them seem anything but. It be interesting I guess if he has a storyline intertwined with cleo cause both are the oldest beings I think in mystic falls left and maybe she goes to him to find her sisters killer. Some people might say he comes back to help destroy triad, problem is they are already destroyed, they disbanded and left behind all their work so unless they become supernaturals I dont see the reason for them to come back and I'd hate if he joined them and turned on hope after all the progress he has made to become good. But anyone have other ideas?

Since Klaus has all three blood types, shouldn't that be enough to kill Malivore? And didn't Marcel have a whole stack saved up for emergencies. In the same way they would definitely have Klaus' blood somewhere. Thoughts on the anyone?