Malivore

I have a few ideas on how to make legacies and any other tvd related project succeed if they return, some of it Ive said a dozen times, some might not be

In no order of importance-

First off as stated many times there needs to be a danger to the protagonists that somewhat lacked on legacies, I think we need to move beyond how many protagonists that can be killed off, I think its been established as bad as that is, to make a true villain they should do a worse fate than death, I dont think that would happen however.

Stay away from the complicated mythology, luckily it wasnt too bad with the gods stuff although a few times I think I was like huh, I mean even the fury stuff was confusing. But even a fantasy nerd as myself cannot stand this overcomplicated mythology. I almost wanna say throw away all the rules at this point cause there isnt 100% consistency. Im not saying you have to make this franchise flat out stupid but lets remember this is still entertaining art first not homework.

Do not bring back monster of the week, it was a failed experiment, I guess they could still incorporate monsters but they were never handled greatly, I mean idk, I think maybe they should just bring in shapeshifters as the only new species left and call it a day.

Answer any remaining questions that are too vague and flat out need visual explanation. Some can be answered via clues but some you have no choice but to show. And tbh Im not a fan of fans(no pun intended) having to fill in the blanks for the writers, it kills the reason we go to see tv shows so someone else can do the great writing for us and we tune into see it.

As usual try to dial back on plot errors or just even common sense errors, like I'm a bit more lenient on errors in the magic stuff cause its hard to put realistic rules on a subject like magic, its hard to get mad at inconsistency. But some stuff like cleo having the power to inspire ideas in people is not good of an idea due to common sense, stuff like that.

Sort of going back to the answer questions bit, they need to take full advantage to dive deeper into villains motivations and personas. They simply didnt do a good job at explaining the motivations of malivore, ken and necromancer as to past villains, there was still vagueness within them. That bothered me alot.

No more filler, that is an extension of no more monster of week but like no more therapy box/hallucination episodes

I still think the human characters at best need to be guest stars simply for the fact this is a show/franchise about the supernatural not the natural. Its also established in tvdverse the supers are in the minority compared to humans.

I am not gonna say we need more cameos cause unless its to do with the story then I dont think they are needed.

Imo these are the main issues to cover in order for legacies and potential spin offs to succeed so they dont mess up again.

Many of you may not know this but a major issue I think needs to be resolved is presumably a malivore pit still exists and unless hope uses her blood to close it up, possibly other dangerous monsters and maybe malivore could come back through it. I dont know if they will settle that or not but I feel its one unresolved thread now that the gods, dark hope and triad are taken care of.

Im going to get alot of hate for this maybe but I gave it a 2nd thought I think malivore should have remained the main villain of legacies through the whole way. There was a point where I did want a villain season by season and I was sick of malivore but Im at a point where Id rather take a single stretched out villain who gets full character progression than these quicker newer ones cause take in instance who we are having as final villain which is ken which yeah he has cool powers and menacing but he has a dull persona and by tomorrow he will be in the show for what his fifth time? and probably get killed tomorrow, that isnt enough time to develop a big villain. And to me the whole end of the world plot is so overdone and not realistic in a sense cause lets say he did do that, he'd have an empty planet to rule over and whether aurora be at his side or not, I feel he would go insane due to boredom from lack of people, it be one thing if he hates himself and everyone who lives and breathes and he wants to take down everyone with him but that isnt the case here, he wants to rule over nothing. At least malivore wanted to target specific groups, we never got fully explanation of why but at least it wasnt ending everyone.

And yeah there is aurora who is a stretched out villain but it just seems to be repetitive where she falls for these men who arent meant for her but her vampire side is barely explored not to mention the one man who was not toxic to her she wanted no part of aka lucien.

I think what happened why malivore got taken away, okay Im speculating Im not saying this is concrete proof but I think fan backlash over the malivore character drove plans away cause he was originally meant to be a threat over entire series to seperate himself from typical tvd villains. I think had he stayed in landon in 3x04, none of this seperation thing it would have came off better cause he finally have a voice and believable form other than playdoh statue, had him stop bringing out monsters, use physical and mental attacks on hope and the students, all these methods tried to use to kill him and it dont work, he eventually becomes full on phoenix he fights tribrid hope in the finale and hope of course kills him but it feels more earned I suppose is the word. Idk if any of you agree with me or not. Cause I dont care what anyone says even if you hate the malivore character, just the concept of his dimension is terrifying, being alone in darkness forever, that is much more terrifying than killing a character who ends up going to peace anyway.

What cliffhanger do you want resolved in the last 2 episodes that is something that can be realistically resolved:

Kaleb finally explains to cleo how he became a vampire

We see kens other siblings

The malivore pit is finally closed preventing monsters or malivore to return(Im quite sure there is a remaining malivore pit and that is how ben and recent monsters got out)

Klaus finally goes to peace

Hope tells elijah she forgives him

Clarke reveals if he turned into a vampire or not

Other-

We still havent exactly found the sources of immortality for a few species so does anyone wanna take a guess what/who it is:

Necromancer

Malivore

Phoenix

Gods

Maybe add in dahlia, the hollow, cade

Anyone want to guess where his fate will be by end of season cause unlike ken I cant see what fate the writers have planned for necro nor do I know where its going which honestly is a good thing, this is to a point unpredictable but at the same time I dont see a happy ending cause the guy is quite evil and I know landon probably wants him out of his life but I cant see him send him to peace either cause he will pester his mom for all eternity.

Like some people dont want to hear this but the only person who could get necro out of way is malivore if he absorbed him again but other than that necro's arc is directionless, there is no teases of where its going but I want to hear from all of you.

Who do you think should be the unexpected visitors that pop up to landon in episode 19 and hope/lizzie in episode 20?

On my fanboy wishlist in episode 19 it would be kai, sebastian and malivore

And in 20 it would be klaus, elijah, damon and valerie.

But who are your choices.

In the event of kens death(if he dies) and his spirit doesnt just poof into nothing I think hope needs to find a way to send his spirit to a different dimension than limbo, I fear if he goes there he will take out his anger on landon and every soul within that dimension so I feel the only other dimension that is large and powerful enough to hold him is malivore dimension since its endless, idk how hope will be able to decide what dimension to send him in but I feel its the only one he can legit stay in, I think kens fear of malivore was somewhat legit and not just a facade. Now whether malivore the character returns is another story but he might be able to hold ken there as his eternal prisoner.

Assuming the worse threat than monsters ben is talking about is a person that hasnt debuted, what do you think this entity needs to bring to the show that malivore, necro, etc hasnt brought yet to the game?

Is there a villain or villains in this 17 season franchise you want to see gain redemption that havent yet? Im going to give some options-

Kai

Aurora

Malivore

Silas

The majority of monsters

Triad

Im even going to say the necromancer cause technically ted is another personality of necromancer but isnt truly him

Any other villain who died evil, im not going to put katherine and I hope I dont have to explain why at this point.

Since tvd started I think many fans have speculated back and forth if nature is a living being or just something symbolic cause it feels like a constant contradiction, like the witch spirits seem to be the powers that be more than nature. And with these so called gods coming in the show on paper it looks like a great time to make nature be the person to end hope once and for all but look at the history of tvdverse, what did nature actually do in terms of powerful feats, it created? earth and even that is sort of a half thing cause nature might be earth like a living planet. It created humans and animals and the only thing confirmed to do by one of the characters is bonnies mom said nature took her powers away for messing with dark magic, mind you it was using dark magic to entomb mikael so he couldnt kill elena its not like she did it for evil ways. There was a reference by the shamans to the great spirit that aided to help create rayna or help raynas powers go to bonnie which might have been nature. And then we go off what powers would this entity have, by common sense it cannot be an omnipotent being cause by that logic it has no weakness unless it allows itself to be weakened, even hope is not omnipotent. And if its a spirit can it even die, presumably no? But honestly a twist I'd go for is maybe nature used malivore or should I say the mud golem the triad made as a vessel, that would make more sense than the excuse clarke came up with.

But what do you all think, should nature come in as a person or just remain symbolic? Im of the opinion nature should stay away and even if its a person it shouldnt be a physical being, maybe keep it a spirit.

Why is it so impossible to create a hybrid diversity story line without eliminating Hope's all-powerful status? because there could be so many more with the supernatural half-human species of some malivore monsters if it were possible, I think it's a real waste to tell more hybrid diversity stories in the series without all this absurd charm for Hope when there could be more powerful hybrids that she without necessarily being a tribrid like her.

Just out of curiousity I decide to take some guesses at what the last episode of legacies could look like going at the rate its going, I personally dont think it has much left in its tank, I could be wrong and it go on for years to come but here is a guess what could come in the final episode of legacies-

Hope and landon are going to be a full couple again, landon will help hopes humanity back on and help find a way for them to have a child.

Lizzie will get together with mg or ethan or both

The school will be either shut down or hope, lizzie, etc will be the new teachers for the younger generation.

Someone will get married, its such a common theme within finales anymore, I can see it happening here, I cant take a guess at who.

The final battle will be between the squad and the "gods"

A monster will make an appearance, maybe malivore and necromancer will appear

The triad will be officially closed down for good.

They will fit in penelope, jade, josie, rafael, freya and caroline as cameos.

Do you think he was based on someone or do you think malivore made him from his own imagination? Cause clarke made it seem like it was based on his mind but then its like how did he not get it right at first, he also made it seem like the first mud golems were disfigured or something. Maybe Im looking into it but would you all have clarke be an original creation of malivore or based on someone?

Does anyone have their own list of whom you would like to see resurrected along with alaric, ted and landon? Only conditions is these would have to be beings in limbo so anyone who is in peace is exempt, rafael is exempt cause he is in prison world. Malivore I guess is also exempt. Believe it or not tristan I think is exempt cause the serratura I think keeps him down in that containment spell forever so not even he can do a reunion with his sis.

Im going to say something controversial but I wouldnt mind if landon isnt landon right now in limbo but its malivore, I dont want malivore back as a villain but I think he has more potential to develop his character than landon does to be honest, there were unanswered questions regarding him, I have no questions about landon, at least nothing important.

Obviously he would be looking for a way back but idk if he could come back redeemed that be awesome. Besides who knows maybe he can give hope a run for her money this time.

I havent really seen anyone yet speculate on this topic but does anyone want to speculate what supernatural being ethan is, all we can gather is its not vamp, wolf or witch cause it was within malivore. I suppose it could be a qareen cause I dont recall another invisible monster but what do you all think, is it something we've seen or not seen?

Out of all the various factions in tvdverse, some of them I guess left unknown in that we dont know if the full quantity of the lot died but assuming some of them survived, which group would you like to see make a comeback in legacies to give closure?

Travellers(assuming some of them survived after damon ran the car into mystic grill)

Gemini coven(outside of valerie, josie and lizzie assuming some had the foresight to unlink from the coven)

Marcels original crew of vampires(the ones in his inner circle and anyone lucky enough to escape the garden)

The guerrera brothers(assuming elijah left any alive cause I think they were last seen with him)

The kindred(assuming there were some members after freya attacked them)

Klaus's enemies(assuming they didnt all die out)

The original armory group(assuming some made it out alive from sybils massacre)

Augustine society(assuming enzo left any alive cause I think wes maxfield sent him in season 5 to kill them for some reason)

Silas's cult(assuming any survived kols attack)

The bloodlines of finn, kol and elijah(assuming some again had the foresight to unlink before their original sire died)

Phoenix stone vamps(assuming a few of them escaped and survived from rayna, bonnie, enzo and damon)

Church fell vamps(assuming any made it out of bonnies fire spell)

This last one maybe a bit redundant but any malivore monsters would you like to see assuming some made it out alive when hope killed malivore and his dimension engulfed in flames)

Im not putting cleos sisters cause despite never having seen them die, i mean we see a burning house with screams, its presumed they all died cause cleo wouldnt lie unless she has good reason to