Nature

What if magic has always existed since the beginning of time and the gods were originally normal humans who through ley lines or naturally occurring places of immense magical energy were exposed to more magic than any other being could ever dream of possessing. And this immense magic made them immortal this turning them into 'gods'. But they began to abuse their power and because of their immortality they began to upset the balance of nature. And now that's why Nature would never allow any one else to truly be immortal there's now always a loophole.

If there is a season 5 I really hope they just dial back down to smaller stories rather than how can we keep topping past season with bigger and more powerful enemies who want to end the world cause that is getting boring and predictable(in a bad way). Cause with the introduction of gods, like how can you possibly top that? Plot armor interference already dictates they can only be limited powerful not to mention there are gods from every culture on the planet, are the writers going to do gods of the week?, I really hope not, that would take many many seasons to cover, its been established this current season is the 17th season of this franchise, we're almost out of magical abilities to showcase so its just going to be repeating itself. Even if they bring in nature as a living being they can only go so far with it.

There is nothing wrong with smaller more character driven stories rather than gathering up a bunch of them to stop some global threat, its been established there is potential for a few like a ripper mg and ripper lizzie storyline. I think fans will get more enjoyment in general out of that anyway. Basically you can get a bigger impact from something smaller as compared to something bigger that can only give a small impact if you catch my drift.

What exactly is the connection to Nature? why isn't it the ability to control magic, I've been thinking and siphons don't have the connection but they can control magic, and witches also have that power and lose their magic control when turning vampire, this idea of ​​siphon continuing with magic powers after becoming a Vampire, is a little wrong.

If gods/goddesses and demigods are immune to magic and the laws that govern it, shouldn’t they be immune to the rules that created immortals? Like wouldn’t a god/demigod be able to kill an original without needing the white oak stake as an example? Or maybe a tribrid without the red oak stake? I mean they predate the rules of nature and magic so in theory they should be able to kill anyone without needing a specific item and abiding by the rules.

Since tvd started I think many fans have speculated back and forth if nature is a living being or just something symbolic cause it feels like a constant contradiction, like the witch spirits seem to be the powers that be more than nature. And with these so called gods coming in the show on paper it looks like a great time to make nature be the person to end hope once and for all but look at the history of tvdverse, what did nature actually do in terms of powerful feats, it created? earth and even that is sort of a half thing cause nature might be earth like a living planet. It created humans and animals and the only thing confirmed to do by one of the characters is bonnies mom said nature took her powers away for messing with dark magic, mind you it was using dark magic to entomb mikael so he couldnt kill elena its not like she did it for evil ways. There was a reference by the shamans to the great spirit that aided to help create rayna or help raynas powers go to bonnie which might have been nature. And then we go off what powers would this entity have, by common sense it cannot be an omnipotent being cause by that logic it has no weakness unless it allows itself to be weakened, even hope is not omnipotent. And if its a spirit can it even die, presumably no? But honestly a twist I'd go for is maybe nature used malivore or should I say the mud golem the triad made as a vessel, that would make more sense than the excuse clarke came up with.

But what do you all think, should nature come in as a person or just remain symbolic? Im of the opinion nature should stay away and even if its a person it shouldnt be a physical being, maybe keep it a spirit.

I remember she was not stopped by any spiritual plane, and even by the Ancestors, she continued to receive power from her sacrificial rituals, not to mention that she freely acted like an unrestrained spirit when her followers began making hundreds of sacrifices for her in their first centuries dead, Nature did not look for ways to stop her, and some users say she crossed the limits of Nature as being confined to a spiritual plane, and interfere and receive sacrificial power non-stop from various places, Nature Should have interfered in some way.

I was wondering after someone from here informed me which expression fulfills wishes and that it serves the will of the person who handles this type of magic and can break laws of nature. do genies use this type of magic or not? they manage to fulfill desires without interfering with nature and laws, so is this the kind of magic they manipulate? I don't think it's a "weak" magic like traditional, spiritual or similar, as they have many rules. would anyone know how to give an opinion?

I have a new theory and wanted to know what you guys think. Do you think most of the weaknesses(except for the one that involves the White Oak tree)the vampires have was due to a curse placed on them by the spirits? The invitation spell is what made me consider more than anything that the vamps might have been cursed. Bonnie said it was a spell that kept vampires out(Implying it was magic). But Van(a witch from the Originals) told Lucien it wasn’t magic keeping him out of the Mikaelsons home.

So it got me thinking. What if this threshold thing started out as just magic. But then the spell became something of a natural like thing(As we know that curse can start out as magic but later become more of a natural problem than magical one), similar to something we’ve seen with the Werewolves. Like we know that the wolves transformation is magical and that the curse is rooted in magic. But the curse itself has been passed through generations as a natural genetic thing.

So...do you agree that this could be related to the spirits or do you think Nature is simply the cause? 😎

It is just a question. I am not saying it will happen, but I've been thinking.

Hope was created as a loophole and can counter Malivore's ability, even kill him. If Hope dies, she becomes a full tribrid. But let's say people find a way to destroy her. Nothing's truly immortal. I doubt Nature would create a full immortal to remove what seems like a full immortal (Malivore). So, let's say Hope is destroyed. Again, I don't want Hope to be destroyed, but IF....

What then? How will Nature rectify the balance? Malivore once again becomes uncontested and truly immortal. What do you think?

We all know that when a witch turn into a vampire they lose their magic due to the fact nature doesn't allow it, it strip out of their magic, vampirism is a aberration of nature, a witch is a servant of it, a witch can't be both because Nature rules all magic, it seem that magic come from it, But I always have thought what if it is another type of magic, would apply this? A type that is not rule and monitored by it, that type of magic I'm talking about is Expression, this is a type of magic not ruled and monitored by nature, an example of this is that, it was probably with expression Qetsiyah created the only and true immortality spell, so I wonder, due to this condition, it is possible a witch with expression be turn into vampire without losing it because nature doesn't rule and monitor it, what you guys thinks?

I think for a new villain in Legacies, it should be like the first ever witch to be on Earth story and how witches got their magic and stuff.