Upgraded Original Vampire

Since Hope triggered her vampire side, so many assumptions have been made by FANS and not creator’s of the show. One of them being she has the strength of an Original, which is FALSE. Hope’s vampire side is her weakest side, everyone knows strength comes with AGE, when Katherine was turned she didn’t automatically gain the strength of a 500 year old vampire, it was given to her over time. Same can be said for ALL The Original Vampires and normal vampires. People say Hope is stronger than all The Originals and any other ancient Vampire. Witchcraft wise that is true, her magic is what makes her deadly but strength wise Hope isn’t that powerful. I’m just annoyed with seeing people say she can subdue people like Rebekah or Kol or even Marcel for that matter with just her strength when we all know that’s not how vampirism works.

Before you attack me take this into consideration. In S4 of Legacies at the carnival when Hope meets the ancient Vampire he tells her “You find out how hard it is to fight someone centuries older than you” to which she replies “that might be a little PROBLEM for me if i only were a creature of the night” meaning if she didn’t have her witchcraft powers he would’ve subdued her. Secondly before you attack me, in S4 again on the last episode Hope’s witchcraft was disabled against Aurora, forcing her into hand to hand combat which she ultimately FAILED because Aurora subdued her and cut her with red oak TWICE.

Let’s not forget Hope literally had to get the staff out of Auroras hands just to finally get the upper hand by using MAGIC obviously.

This goes to show without her magic, Hope doesn’t really have any other forms of fighting, unless the vampire is a freshly turned then she would definitely subdue them. If she honestly had the strength and skills of an Original, She would’ve fought that Carnival vampire without magic, she would’ve subdued Aurora in 0.5 seconds andd might i add she would’ve heard Rebekah coming from behind her with the dagger in 4x05. I love Hope, i do but this is something the entire fandom needs to accept. She can compel people because her father was an Original, that doesn’t mean she has equal strength to an Original as well. If you want to prove me wrong then by all means, go ahead but if you’re not coming with facts like i just did then don’t come at ALL.

sharing the same abilities as an original vampire he could compel anyone(except for another original by himself), cant be killed by a wooden stake, and can’t die from wolf venom. The spell used was the same one Esther used on her kids(but tweaked of course). So if the basis is the same but just better does that mean he can create a sire line of his own? Same goes for Lucien and Alaric-especially for Alaric since he went from human-enhanced original not vampire-upgraded original and yes I know Alaric wouldn’t have but the question is could he have

Marcel still being alive means that he can possibly turn people when he feels he needs to and be their sire

I think the question is pretty straight forward. The two instances that we have seen an variation of the Vampire Spell (I'm aware isn't called like that but is easier to make the distinction) it has always been around of the White Oak. Lucien created the Upgraded Original Vampire with a white oak bullet and Freya's blood, Esther made the Enhanced Original with the help of the white oak stake and Elena's Blood. So it seem it is always need the White Oak but humor me here, what if there was an Original Vampire who wasn't created with white oak? that would make Vervain and White Oak basically useless against it.

Idk i think it would make totally sense if something like that happened on Legacies or at least explained that is possible

In A Tale of Two Wolves, they made it seem like a White Oak stake was the only thing that could kill an Original. However, if they coated a regular stake with Marcel's Upgraded venom, could that have killed Klaus as well?

So I was thinking about this. I thinking Freya created what might be the most powerful weapon that exist in the TVDworld. I'm talking about the dagger she created to kill Marcel.

The dagger was created so it can kill an Upgraded Original vampire. It would make sense that it could also kill regular Originals, Hybrids and Vampires. Moreover, one of the ingredients to create the dagger was Marcel's venom itself which is said can kill anyone and anything. The Hollow's thorns could kill Originals because it sprouted in Marcel's blood. So to me it's pretty obvious that a weapon created with the venom have the same properties.

Now at the time, the univers didn't include Dragons, Gargoyle or other monsters, but if we stay on the fact that the venom can kill anything as they said many times in The Originals, that would mean the dagger could kill any or at least most of the beings on the 3 shows.

This is mostly hypothetical but I think it would be cool to actualise the univers laws since the huge changes Legacies brought

As we all know Marcel is the last Upgraded Original Vampire and Lucien was the first. They were both vampires at first but would the thing that turned them into Upgraded Original Vampires work on humans?

So I was wondering,Since he is considered to be the "Strongest being" (Upgraded Original) Would any of the Originals have been able to kill him? does he have any weaknesses? (White stake etc) .And Would hope mikaelson ever be strong enough to compare to him later on? I know she's currently a witch but shes also a trybrid (tribrid?) so if she unlocked all of her powers and abilities how would she compare?

Hello everyone!

In season 3 of The Originals the Mikaelsons were desperate to kill the Upgraded Original Vampire Lucien Castle. To finally kill him they used Davina's Ancestral Spirit to gain access to the magic that created him and after reversing the Immortality Spell they killed him.

But in season 5 of The Originals it was revealed that Klaus had secretly kept one, last stake.

Why didn't he tell his family about that? It could have prevented a lot of trouble, Lucien wasn't immune to the White Oak magic.

So we know that the Upgraded Original’s vote possess venom from the 7 original werewolf bloodlines, correct? How does it succeed in killing one of the Originals, especially Klaus? In my opinion, I don’t think it’s been explained properly as the only thing we know is that it’s a combination of all seven strains of werewolf venom that ends up killing them, but that doesn’t make much sense because it’s possible for some point in the thousands of years the Originals have been alive, to have been encountered and fought werewolves from more than one bloodlines and been bitten by more than one. They should all be fully capable of fighting off multiple strains of werewolf venom at once as they have possible been bitten by most werewolves from the bloodlines the seven strains of werewolf venom came from right? I understand that it’s a new strain of werewolf venom, but that still doesn’t make any sense because none of the original strains can kill the Originals. Perhaps it’s like a plot device to accentuate the Beast’s power over the Originals and Klaus himself and how Lucien and Marcel can kill them, but they totally could of went with something different such as a new strain of venom that isn’t from a werewolf and was created from dark magic that has similar power levels of the White Oak Stake, which would of made way more sense correct?

Please tell me what you think about this. Appreciated!

Been watching the Originals again, and noticed the time difference between Finn’s death, and Cami’s death. Finn seemed to die much quicker and he’s an Original. Was it because for Cami, Freya would slow down the infection? Because Finn was bitten in the neck? I dunno. Thoughts?

What would a upgraded original siphoner hybrid look like and would any body be able to stop him?

Can Marcel or Lucien die from the Advanced Werewolf Venom that’s in their fangs? We know that not even their own blood can cure the newly-created Venom, so are they also able to be killed by it or are they immune to it?