Hey all, so I recently rewatched TVD S1 and in the episode where Vicki dies, Damon (or Stefan, don't remember which one) compelled Tyler, an untriggered werewolf then, to forget about Vicki attacking him, and it was successful. Tyler was able to be compelled. So can untriggered werewolves be compelled, or was it just a plothole by writers not wanting to give away that Tyler had the werewolf gene?
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It was truly too much. She kept dying, losing her loved ones etc. And it's not a good look when you mistreat the only PoC character in your cast. She deserved a happy ending, travelling the world with Enzo after all that or something. Her being alone in the world with a mother she barely speaks to, her friends moving on with their lives is such a bad ending.
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Plec always hated and mistreated Bonnie, what did you expect lol
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Recently rewatched S2 and I think he died way too early. He could have stuck around for the whole season and maybe even die at Klaus' ritual instead.
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On TVD, I thought all deaths were okay, except for Tyler's. That was so random and unnecessary and not deserved after everything he had been through. Tyler deserved better than that and trying to "make" Damon bad again by killing Tyler was lame. Plec just can't comprehend that death isn't always a way for a character's closure. Tyler could've still appeared in the finale at Matt's ceremony like he did as a spirit but actually alive. Nobody asked for more for Tyler's character. We could have just assumed that he had a normal human life away from Mystic Falls. It's fine closure.
As of TO, many deaths occurred due to actors wanting to leave the show: Kaleb/Kol's, Eva/Rebekah's, Mikael's, Aiden's. Davina's death in S3 was also because her actress wanted to leave. As of the leads' deaths, it was clearly because Plec wanted to give permanent closure to these characters in a way that would make sense for Legacies to exist and for them to not appear on it. Interestingly, Hayley was always supposed to die in Plec's mind, the original idea for TO was for Hayley to have died at the end of S1, leaving Klaus, Elijah and Rebekah to raise Hope in New Orleans. Plus, Phoebe Tonkin (Hayley's actress) didn't want to return for S5, hence she only appeared in a few episodes. Klaus and Elijah both dying was an exaggeration, Elijah sucking all of the Hollow and killing himself would have been much better, he basically had no reason to live, his love Hayley was gone, he had helped Klaus find redemption, and since someone had to die to destroy the Hollow, it'd be more fitting for solely Elijah to die.
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It's sad how TO's story was affected by the actors' availability. Claire wanted out, Alice Evans (Esther) had quitted acting to raise her children and barely was able to return for 3 episodes in the whole series, Kol would've been more prominent had his actor been available for more appearances, and coming to this thread's subject, also Finn's actor was done with acting. At least he was able to return for 7 episodes, I doubt he wanted to be around longer, and I'm sure they wanted to prove that Lucien was able to kill an Original.
All in all, had all these actors been available for the whole show, I'm certain we would have seen more of their characters and thus their growth, and likely no horrible body jumps in S2.
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The coma was perfect tbh, Kai's final act for revenge. Regardless, the show should have ended with S6. It's funny that they explored the show under different circumstances for one season and after that half the cast wanted to be done and were forced to do a shortened season to end it. I don't think the 2 more seasons offered anything substantial to the story, and low-key ruined the show's arc.
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I wish they had made Klaus a witch-werewolf hybrid in the flashbacks, or at least hinted at it. I suppose in general the werewolf gene is stronger than the witch one, so it's more likely the child is solely a werewolf. Who knows? Maybe there's a hint in the future that Freya and Keelin have another child and this time Keelin is the mother and Vincent is once again the donor, resulting in a witch-werewolf hybrid.
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Their relationship was better than Klaroline. It's really sad how Cami died but we all needed a big old TVD-style death tbh, although both hers and Davina's happened so close to one another. I have to add that Leah Pipes did a phenomenal job overall but especially in her final episode (as a series regular). Those producers must have felt so satisfied that these actors they had cast years before with not much material to test them with ended up bringing amazingly to life their characters.
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Horrible season, yet not the worst. That title is held by the atrocious Season 8. S7 is the only season where I actually liked Bonnie lol.
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<p>Henrik was a human (untapped witch). He died, he moved on, found peace. He ain't appearing in a million years.</p>
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<p>They normally would, but there's a chance the child doesn't end up tapping into their witch powers.</p>
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<p>Yes, Klaus did it.</p>
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Lucy Baker codename for Hope? What do you mean?
The show, based on these, sounds boring. A statue that comes to life? lmaoooo
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TVD: S2
TO: S1
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Pretty sure they'll randomly find another cure. A page from Esther's memoirs they had never seen before or something, lol.
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not horrible people, horrible characters, there's a difference in that
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no one cares about Haylijah, both horrible characters, especially Hayley
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Kol already has an ending, with Davina. In BTS for the season finale, Rebekah has an emotional scene with Klaus and Elijah, and then she turns and leaves. I don't think anyone will die, but I'm not sure. Elijah will either die or end up with Antoinette imo. I don't think Klaroline will indeed happen. I think Plec is playing a trick on us. Maybe Klaus dies. It's just Legacies is happening as well, and there has to be a reason Hope goes back other than wanting to moderate her powers. At the same time, we won't see anyone at least from TO, I doubt anyone will return to guest. As of Rebekah, I'm really interested and intrigued. Either it's going to be boring and predictable af and she ends up with Marcel or she becomes human.
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Rebekah, always and forever.