^ That is Caroline, a stake can kill Caroline whereas Original Vampires mere dessicate and then come back to life. Originals are immortal and an inifinite source of power.
Kol will rape Kai as well the twin lesbian chicks at the same time ;) LOL ....
Bonnie, Kai, Damon all combined cannot kill Klaus, stop making stupid comments like Kai stronger than Klaus ..... LOL
If you can rip out their hearts, then they're not indestructable, something that they have been stated to be multiple times.
My guess is when you grab the heart of an Original under ordinary circumstances, e.g. Gia and Elijah, it cannot be pulled out, because they're indestructable. Pulling something apart (in this case an Original's body) goes against the very defintion of 'indestructable'.
Why can't we behead Klaus in that case? Are his bones made of Adamantium or Diamond? Pretty sure a diamond drill can behead him in that case or even a normal industrial chop saw which is used to cut wood and thin alloys/plates.... why not ? .... He is not indestructable at all if we see that way .....
If I was Klaus I would ask Freya to just use all her power and dessicate Marceles so that I could take him to a nearby factory and just behead him ....
Don't talk like an idiot trying to justify storylines as science.
If you are to seek logic in the show then ideally compulsion should not wear off even if an original dies, why the fuck would changes/blockaes done in the neural networks of your brain be reversible if original died? It is same bonnie's spells wearing off after she died or Esther's immortality spell wearing off after se died. If you are showing that every act done by the originals in an extension of the existence of the magic in their body then surely when that magic ends (death/stripped one and the same logically) the effects should end according to the storyline, however the writers convieniently made an exception to that and perhaps justified it, it is perhaps not a plothole but sametime not some great logic as you are trying to prove here.
Dude, they can show anything on the show and justify it as it is just a show. If we start seeking logic in it then we'll find that they show the idea of dying as an original lifting compulsion but Alaric's vampirism stripped doesn't lift the compulsion to be pure shit because that shouldn't be the case, magic stripped means the whole effect from it should vanish with it too.
^ What bullshit !
If his vampirism is stripped then how can the compulsion done by him remain? It is as good as dying as an original. Doesn't make sense at all, an original has to exist/be alive for compulsion to exist.....
My strong guess is Marcel will look as strong as Lucien and would manhandle Klaus in the same way next season 4, just my guess because it makes no sense to make him look weaker.
It is like saying we both have the same budget to by a new lappy but the current one that you are using is older than mine, does that matter? We both have the same budget anyhow :D .... Point being why would writers show Marcel weaker than Lucien now in season 4 just because as a normal vampire both were differen in ages ? Beast is Beast and he will (has to) look as powerful next season because action needs to be the same and the villian cannot look weaker than the previous one.
Only problem is Lucien was more cocky, laughing all the while and mocking Klaus while manhandling him, donno if Marcel can make it look that ruthless.
Indeed, Niklaus should have been stronger than he was in season 2, however doesn't really seem all that strong compared to Elijah, unfair really plus his blood also should hold cure to all kinds of wolf venoms, different packs having different venom itself makes no sense, writers have deliberately come up with crap logics to put up a even fight, unfair really.
Lol ..... Yeah what I said was your example about the hardware changes was right as OS alone cannot make any difference visible, however with respect to hardware we can argue it either ways and I tried to use the hardware argument to show that both are at same more or less or could even be reverse but still close in strength (i.e Marcel being stronger than Lucien as a beast :P )
In any case hardware argument is pure hypothesis, we can argue in various ways with that, won't yield a thing. I would like to just say that I need to see more of Marcel in season 4 to make a judgement whether he clearly is weaker or not ...... I saw enough of Lucien belting Klaus but haven't seen Marcel vs Klaus to such depth so don't know for sure, still in fix, my gut feeling says they r both equal (yes some differences (very very less) might be there depending on their strengths as humans but their previous strengths as vampires might not have a role in determining their new strengths is what I feel, you guys disagree on that .... fair enough, let us see season 4 and judge better....
LOL ..... Ok I'll give a small example from a strictly machine point of view :-P
We all know that merely a windows 7 to windows 10 upgrade alone cannot result in our system becoming faster. ..... Lets start from basics and consider hardware changes too.
We agree that as a human Mikael was a better warrior and stronger than Klaus and Klaus was stronger (slightly) than Elijah and Elijah was a bit stronger than Bekkah since she is a girl.
Type 1 : HUMAN they were all born with Pentium Processors + 128 MB RAM DDR2 (I am not taking hard drive into account as that wouldn't alter the processing power/speed of the system) ..... It is possible that Mikael was running on a higher version of pentium i.e with slightly higer clock speed (newer hardware) ....
Type 2 : Normal Vampires like Lucien, Katherine, Marcel, Caroline ..... Let us start with Caroline .... As soon as she became a vampire she got a processor of say dual core + 1 GB RAM ... then over time she reached the stage of Marcel where CPU become core 2 duo .... then Katherine gets an i3 .... over time she reaches Lucien's stage (1000 years) and gets an i5 4th gen .... So over time her processor upgrades .... along with the processor RAM upgrades too gradually ......
So let us say ....
Lucien's hardware at 1000 yrs old vamp was i5 (4th gen) + 8 GB DDR3
Katherine's harware at 500 yrs old vamp was i3 (3rd gen) + 4 GB DDR3
Marcel's hardware at 200 yrs old vamp was core 2 duo + 2 GB DDR2/DDR3 anything.
Caroline I already mentioned baby vamp at dual core + 1 GB
Type 3 : ORIGINAL VAMPIRES ..... Now when esther did the spell Mikael and his kids directly went from P4 processors to core i7.... Since base strength of Mikael > Klaus as a human (higher pentium level) Mikael has a core i7-4940MX processor while Klaus upgraded to 4900MQ, Elijah to i7-4800MQ and Rebekkah being weakest got i7-4702 MQ which is still higher than Lucien's i5 now ..... Point being i7 cannot be killed even when staked while i5 can be killed with normal wood/beheaded ... etc etc ..... Now over the years their hardware has further upgraded (i.e RAMs) and they are at 16 GB sticks each.... probably they started at 4GB RAM and now they have 16 GB RAMs DDR3 .... Assuming this since I said Originals ALSO get faster with time....
So now (assuming Mikael is alive ) he is at i7-4940 MX + 16 GB DDR3 ...... Klaus at i7-4900MQ + 16GB DDR3 ....... etc etc
Type 4 .... Beast .... Now just like Klaus, Mikael and others jumped from type 1 to type 3 directly but ended with same RAMs since strength could not be too different and same i7 family CPUs but different versions of it to result in mikael remaining stronger than Klaus ...... Lucien and Marcel would jump from type 2 to type 4 ...... Which is core i7 processor as well since it is the same spell, just a little extra upgrade i.e DDR4 RAMs instead of DDR3 .... and base level increased from 4 GB to 16 GB which is same as originals now ..... You will ask why ??? Remeber the spell is same as esthers but a little engineered to act as an upgrade to change a vampire into originals than the original spell which changed human to originals + lucien's venom from 7 pacs added too
So basiclaly beasts are DDR4s which run at 2400 mhz while originals with DDR3s run at 1333/1600 mhz ...... Processors same family i7 but different versions (MX, MQ etc etc)
Now the very important point here is you cannot say that Ok Lucien had 8GB DDR3 so I shall give him 8GB DDR4 while Marcel will recieve only 2GB DDR4 since he is 200 yrs old and has 2GB RAM only now ...... That cannot happen right ??? .... DDR4 starts with MINIMUM 8 GB or else it would be slower than Lucien's 8GB DDR3 if Marcel gets only 2GB of DDR4 which is still theoretically slower than 8GB of DDR3 .... What is the point of upgrading then ??? .... So Lucien and Marcel would BOTH recieve 16 GB DDR4 and their previous DDR3 would not matter since that would be thrown in the DUSTIN anyway ......
Unless you can prove human Lucien > human Marcel in their pentium form whatever CPUs they recieve eventually would all be in the same families of i7 and not some huge difference making versions ....... For that matter Marcel might even be stronger than Lucien as a human depending what kind of skills he attained when he was originally turned so as an upgrde he always got higher versions like Mikael got compared to Klaus over the years and always remained stronger ...... ? .... Even that is possible !
Why is windows 10 hilarious? It is valid .... They are upgraded to the beast ... thats it .... upgraded by strength/heightened is not mentioned ... It is just upgrades to a level greater i.e beast ... nothing is so specially mentioned as such and I didn't feel Marcel any slower than Lucien, just that he didn't get a chance to showcase his strength as much as Lucien did .... so why should I buy a theory and no go with what is just mentioned in the show ??
Factual information is what I accept, unless stated by the authors I won't buy any of the fake theories doing the rounds, you be my guest to carry on assuming imaginary theories like these.
Werewolf blood? Which episode was that? I don't remember exactly, I think that was her blood to connect them via magic to take down the memory lane, it was not werewolf venom which had any effect on Niklaus. Venom of wolf cannot affect Niklaus since his blood has the antibodies for it.....
I can understand your fetish for Lucien, however I urge you to not concoct fake stories like Lucien stronger than Marcel. There is no such mention of that just like there is no mention of originals never getting stronger with age, all that is just basless assumptions and fan fiction. One of the reasons why this rubbish theory Lucien>Marcel as originals is not true is because an upgrade is always nothing more than an upgrade. You upgrade your operating system to windows 10 means your system is at windows 10 in the end, doesn't matter if you currently run windows 7 or windows 8, end product is always windows 10, sameway does not matter if Lucien / Marcel / Damon or even fuckin Caroline drinks it ..... They shall all be the same in the end in terms of strength, speed and senses.......
The whole idea of Klaus dying from Lucien's or Marcel's Bite is BULLSHIT ..... The 7 packs venom is a venom after all and Klaus' body is that of a werewolf for god's sake and it has antibodies that make the possibility of wolf venom to exist in his body without killing him ...... No why the fuck would any venom even is derieved from 100 packs kill him ???? Venom is Venom after all and he should be immune to all ...... Writers are so stupid that they've defied all logic just to make the originals weak and vulnerable now for storyline purposes
My gut feeling is she would be an original vampire once she dies/transition into a vampire.
Let us see, season 4 will answer many questions that we have about this TVD/TO universe.
Mikael was a skilled warrior even before he became a vampire, similar to Alaric who was a hunter when before he became an original, the strengths and skills of these people as humans itself is much more than Caroline who is a college girl, no compaarison at all..... If we say Mikael was like say Enzo's strength with the skills he had and the certainty that his lims cannot be cut off or his heart be ripped out and the rage that he has, pretty sure he can get the work done, don't be surprised if did that.
Plus what is to stop us from believing that base strength of an Original was as similar to that of Marcel or Damon while Lucien started off as Caroline's level ?
After all it is maths .....
Suppose if I am an original turned by Esther NOW and my strength is 200 years old of a standard vamp and you are a new vamp turned by me at 20 years old strength level (baby vamp) .... You are just 10% of my power ....
After another 1000 years .... My powers are at 1200 and you are at 1020 ..... Now how strong are you to me ? .... (1020/1200 * 100 ) = 85% of my power ....
After 3000 years on this earth ...... My power are at 3200 and you are at 3020 .... Now how strong are you to me ??? ..... 3020/3200 * 100 = 94.375% of my power
So you see Originals do not even have to be at Joshua's or Caroline's strengths, their strengths could well be as much as Marcel's or even Lexi's when they turned vampires 1000 years ago and Lucien started as a baby vamp and over 1000 years the % narrowed down and both r at similar levels ????
It is possible mathematically !
Are you stupid ?
Can normal hybrids sire their own bloodline? Not even Niklaus is able to sire his own bloodline ( I.e create more hyrids ) and hope can ..... What does this tell you ?
Had Klaus' sireline not been broken then his death would have resulted in death of everyone else like Damon, Stefan, Elena, Caroline etc etc ..... Hope would still live on as her OWN BLOOD GIVEN TO HER BY MOTHER NATURE LACED WITH MAGIC ..... I've written in caps so that you can understand what that means, she is far too supernatural to just be an unsired hybrid.
She will just be like her father, another original hybrid, but one who can sire normal hybrids, I cannot say if she will have magic or be a siphoner, that is specualtion but DEFINETLY she will be an original Hybrid !