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Their blood wasn't magical in the sense you're putting it. Qetsiyah used them as an object of natural channeling, such as a celestial event, as the Sun, the Full Moon, a Comet, etc. Each of these things is for a witch to channel power, but none of them contain magic. The Sun contains no magic, but a witch can channel its energy to gain mystical power.

Just as a Witch can channel the energy of a massacre/dark places to obtain power through Dark Magic; Just as a Witch can sacrifice a human life (which does not contain magic) to gain power through sacrifice...; Things like this do not contain magic, but can be channeled to obtain energy to be transmuted/converted into magic by the Witch.

A great example of this is seen in the first or second season of The Vampire Diaries, where Bonnie channels Jeremy as an energy source. Jeremy was just a human at that time, but he could still be used as an energy channeling object for a Witch, as his vital energy was converted into Magic by the Witch.

The point about Doppelgangers, at least until the fifth season, was that they were rare natural phenomena, such as a Comet, a Full Moon or some celestial event, and therefore were powerful channeling objects.

Qetsiyah said that to change the Anchor, she would need an immense amount of energy, and said that the Full Moon would take a month, and a decent Comet would only appear billions of years later. Then she comments on Doppelgangers, and in her words they are:

— "powerful, mystical, naturally recurring..."

She directly compared Doppelgangers with natural phenomena and celestial events, as they are rare and occur naturally, therefore they are powerful objects of energy channeling.

This is why in later seasons Kai, a Siphon Witch, was unable to absorb any magic from Stefan who was a human Doppelganger. They do not possess magic, but rather are objects for channeling energy, such as the Sun, the Moon, a Comet, etc.

Oh yes. I know about that. I thought you were talking about TVD.

I don't know about the actor who left.

It seems to me that Julie Plec wanted to create the storyline about Elena losing her memories about Damon. And wanted it to be permanent when made Alaric human again.

He was an unbounded immortal after being resurrected. That's so intriguing... I honestly don't understand how he can be immortal. His resurrection should have created a Nexus Vorti.

@JesseTN346972 Could you bring me the episode number or the quote where Rebekah mentions that the sirelink spell only exists because her mother connected them by blood? We, and all vampires including the Originals, only discovered that Sirelink existed when Finn died. In other words, it is not possible for Rebekah to make a statement about something she didn't even know existed. The Sirelink is a facet of Esther's Immortality Spell, not something that exists because she connected their blood, a quote I don't even remember hearing in the series. In fact, not without because you seem so upset about it.

About Marcel... I made clear my doubts about his ability to generate a bloodline, as his version of the spell doesn't use Doppelganger blood, which is the most powerful binding agent. Although Michael Narducci said that Doppelganger's blood was expendable because Lucien was using the soil from Mystic Falls that contained the mystical energy generated in the creation of the Originals.

@Sayitasitis2 You are observing the situation as something that comes from Esther's will, and therefore it would not make sense for her to allow him to generate more vampires, however, even when she created the Immortality Spell, it was never her intention to allow her children to generate vampires, this was a consequence of the Spell.

Esther cannot change the Spell's properties at her pleasure. Each change requires a reformulation of the spell. If she could simply change all of the spell's properties, she wouldn't have made Alaric vulnerable to sunlight, for example.

The only reformulation she made to the spell was replacing White Oak with Elena.

In fact, if you look at the dialogue during Alaric's transformation into an Original Vampire, Elena says that there was a risk that Esther was creating a worse monster than her children, and Esther says no, because Alaric's personality was manipulated by her. to feel immense hatred and disgust towards Vampires, therefore he would never become like them, and would eventually die along with Elena. In Esther's mind, Alaric would never turn anyone because his hatred for the Vampire species was so great that he would never consider that possibility. Just like Mikael, as far as we know, he never transformed anyone.

As far as I know, Esther can't just alter the properties of her own spell simply by her will, and when she performs the spell to transform Alaric, she says that she realized the mistake she made before, and that this time she would do it differently, linking Alaric's life to Elena. This indicates that her only change to the spell was the immortality part.

Exactly, the spell used by Esther is essentially the same, with the only observed and proven modification being the replacement of the White Oak to Elena. Furthermore we don't have any information inside or outside the show to state that Alaric wouldn't be able to sire vampires or anything like that.

In fact, there would be no reason for Esther to bother removing any of these things from the spell, because any vampire created by Alaric would die with him anyway when Elena died.

The Mikaelsons weren't connected a thousand years ago, and that's not why they can create new vampires. I don't know where you got this information from, but it is false. And if Esther used the same spell, with the only change being Elena's replacement of the White Oak, how does that affect Alaric's ability to generate new vampires? There is no mention of any other change to the spell that would prevent him from creating new vampires, as this is a consequence of the Immortality Spell itself.

@JesseTN346972 What do you mean she linked them through blood? What are you talking about? Esther didn't even know the consequences of the spell she was creating — She didn't know that her children could produce others like them.

Alaric doesn't need to be there a thousand years ago to be able to generate a lineage, he just needs the same spell that Esther used on her children to be used on him equally, which actually happened. The spell is the same in the sense of giving him all the qualities she gave to her children, with the only change of linking his life to Elena instead of White Oak, but this change does not imply the ability to generate other vampires or not.

This isn't just me saying it's the same spell, Esther herself said so when she created it; She said that for the last time she would use the same Dark Magic that she used a thousand years ago to make Alaric equal to her children. Alaric being stronger is not directly related to changing the spell (as the change was to link his life to Elena's), but rather to imbuing him with more power than his children. Esther in addition to channeling all the sources of magic she channeled when she transformed her children, she also channeled the hot spot of her own death to create Alaric. Vampires become stronger with age because the magic within them grows over time, meaning the amount of magic is directly related to their strength. Imbuing Alaric with more magic made him more powerful, but the spell is practically the same, the ingredients used were the same, the magic was the same.

You can even say that because it is the second time after a thousand years that she uses this spell, that she refined it and made it more "perfect", but it is more related to the technique than the spell itself, as the energy sources used were the same, the ingredients were the same, the only change being the replacement of White Oak with Elena. And as I said earlier, none of this affects the ability to generate new vampires.

Marcel would win probably. But to me the Enhanced Original is better than the Upgraded Original. Alaric was vampire for just a day and could win against the Original Hybrid, while Marcel was a 200 years old vampire before becoming an Original, and yet has a strength level similar to Alaric. If Marcel was a human before becoming an Upgraded Original Vampire, his strength would be the same?

Exactly, after returning to life Alaric was truly immortal in the sense that there was no weapon that could kill him, as his vampirism did not come from the White Oak and the only thing that could kill him was Elena's death, as Esther programmed him to be indestructible as long as Elena lived. Without this link he could not be killed by any weapon in the nature.

He is the best vampire overall, as he has fewer weaknesses than a typical vampire; He is more resistant to sunlight, as his body did not catch fire even when exposed to the sun; He is immune to White Oak and therefore immune to vervain because this plant only affects vampires because it grew from White Oak tree, and if he is immune to White Oak he should be immune to vervain (vervain affects him in the series is a writing plothole), meaning he could compel anyone even if that person is using vervain.

The big question is whether the Upgraded Original Vampire's venom could kill Alaric. It really is a subject for debate.

And for those who say Alaric is inferior to Marcel, I wouldn't be so sure. Michael Narducci said that both are equivalent in strength, so it is inconclusive to assume the superiority of either in this regard.

He went back to Julie Plec to create the storyline of erasing Elena's memories of Damon, and then removed the vampirism from him so Elena wouldn't get her memories back. That's what it looks like.

@JesseTN346972 And why would the Vampires created by Alaric be any different? Esther used the same spell, with the only change being Alaric's link with Elena, making him immune to the White Oak stake, which would consequently make his vampire offspring equally immune to stakes. What Esther did was use her hot spot of death to imbue Alaric with more power, but the architecture of the spell was the same, just with an improvement.

I didn't really understand your point about Rebekah saying her mother linked them. Can you elaborate on this and why this stops Alaric from creating more vampires?

@RavenQueenBliss6669 I agree with you, Esther would not want any Vampire to be free in the world after the death of her children and Alaric. And even if Alaric with his altered personality would never resort to generating new Vampires, accidents happen and someone could gain access to his blood and transform. He would have about maybe 60 years to hunt down all the Originals before Elena died, and in that time anything could happen, someone could be transformed by his blood, and if that happened, would this Vampire be free and without any connection to Alaric? I find it difficult for Esther to allow a gap like this to exist, especially because any Vampire generated by Alaric would not be linked to Elena, as this link was between Elena and Alaric only. Therefore, it makes much more sense for Esther to have implemented the Sirelink in the Immortality Spell when she created Alaric, to ensure that the Vampire plague was purged from the face of the Earth along with him.

@JesseTN346972 Although we are theorizing here, your theory is not proven because it has no substance within what is canonical in the series. You're suggesting that Esther created Alaric so he wouldn't be able to sire other vampires, but there's no evidence for that other than her opinion about what she would or wouldn't want. Meanwhile, my question about the Sirelink Spell is valid because we know that this is a facet of the Immortality Spell, something added to the spell and that we know is not dependent, since we have canonical material from Original Vampire who do not have a life and death link with their progeny, as is the case with Hope. Just as it is with Klaus after his Sireline was broken, this did not affect his Vampirism, meaning that the Sirelink and the Immortality Spell are not actually dependent on each other.

At first, given the evidence we have, we cannot assume that Alaric cannot generate new vampires, as this is a consequence of Esther's Immortality Spell, and there is no mention of any change in this aspect when she performed the same spell on Alaric. Her only change was to connect his life to Elena.

And if you think about it, Alaric's personality was changed to hate the Vampire species and want to destroy all of them, which means he wouldn't want to turn anyone into a vampire, but accidents happen and someone could get his blood and turn. Esther wouldn't want free vampires running around after Alaric's death through Elena's death, so it's presumptive that she would give Alaric a Sirelink with the vampires he created to ensure they all die with him, leaving no gaps.

And the vampires generated by Alaric would not really be truly immortal, since ordinary vampires generated by Original Vampires are diluted versions of the Original Vampire in question, therefore they would not be indestructible like Alaric, they would just be immune to any type of wooden stake. They would have the same resistance as hybrids, they would die just by ripping out the head or heart (or by the sunlight).

@Bennett Blood Mage18 We don't really know, since there isn't enough evidence to state that Sirelink doesn't exist for copies of the Originals.

@JesseTN346972 I agree about Marcel and Lucien because they didn't use the Doppelganger's blood in their version of the spell, which we know possesses unparalleled mystical binding attributes. As for Alaric, the spell used was the same, and if the intention was to exterminate the entire race of Vampires, it makes no sense for Esther not to create him with Sirelink, otherwise she would run the risk of her blood creating new free vampires who would not die with Alaric's death. And since Esther didn't mention anything about him being "infertile," we can't take that as a fact, since she used the exact same spell.

It's super advantageous for an Original Vampire to be attached to their progeny because it prevents them from trying to kill you or forces them to protect you to prevent them from dying. I think any vampire would want an advantage like that, which has even saved the Original Vampires several times over the course of the series.

Alaric was going to die anyway for being linked to Elena, but if he didn't have a Sirelink, any vampire transformed by his blood would be free to roam the world even after his death, something Esther probably wouldn't want.

@Bennett Blood Mage18 I have a different thought, although it is interpretative, I imagine that she did create a Sirelink for Alaric, as it would be a safety issue, since she created him to decimate the entire vampire race, and if Alaric didn't have a Sirelink , if his blood were to transform someone, that someone would be an independent vampire and would be alive even when Alaric died, which Esther would not want. So a Sirelink would serve to make sure that any vampire turned by Alaric (accidentally or not) would die along with him after Elena dies.

And for Marcel, it's hard for me to believe that he has a Sirelink, because Lucien didn't use Doppelganger Blood in his version of the spell, but rather Freya's Blood, which Michael Narducci said was used to increase the power of the venom. And the Ancestors wouldn't want him to create a new species of upgraded vampires either.

@Bennett Blood Mage18 So is Sirelink a facet of the Immortality Spell, and not something added separately?

Does this mean that both Alaric and Marcel would have a life-and-death link to their bloodline?