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This is my first post. Yeah, it about my last post on the discussion forum. It was locked and you gave your reasons but when I checked Freya and Hope’s pages I didn’t see anything addressing my exact topic so it can’t be a fresh topic, and even on the discussion forum, can’t seem to find where this was discussed.
Hello. Similar topics can be found on the first and second page of Freya and Hope's article comments, respectively (likewise, there are probably others on the Witch, The Hollow, or Dahlia's pages). Similarly the searching the Hope Article tag or The Originals category in Discussions can yield other points of Discussions. Briefly looking through, you've comment on a similar post that got off topic in relation to Hope. With that said, this, as well, as other comparisons (especially among witches) are not new; nor is there "new" information to be presented. Typically, this has the same users repeating the same information. Moreover these types of posts, particular in Discussions usually go off track pretty quickly. So with a little searching, there or here on the main namespace, similar posts can be found that likely answer or will provide you additional insight without have a repeat conversation. Hope that helps.
It recent was locked due to 1) some comments were deleted for going off-topic and 2) the direction it was leading to which I stopped short (before it would escalate) of what seems to happen on numerous threads of yours. Also one of the last comments from the other user wasn't needed for the conversation.
hey maybe in the future can you tell shae next time he verbally attacks me to lay off or something, i sort of took ur advice lately, i didnt get into an arguement with him but i did tell him to stop telling me what he already told me, i told him his brainwashing tactics wont work. I can tell what type of fan he is, he is upset because if anyone has a different opinion, mainly me, he goes on a verbal rampage and kind of tried to bully me to stay off the wiki and not list my own opinions. Its not like i was cursing at actors, using curse words or threats, im simply saying after being a fan of this franchise of tvd for 10 years, giving julie chance after chance, i think im allowed to give opinions on what id like to see but shae doesnt like that, he almost comes off as a sheep, im not even trying to bully him here on that and lie, he literally loves everything produced by julie which is fine, a bit weird but fine but then like he doesnt need to attack people who dont agree with him, its annoying. Its gotten to the point where his words are affecting my state of mind, its making me almost suicidal through my depression. Cause of his type of comments seen all over the place cause i know he has profiles outside this wiki, julie and people close to her will see it and think everything is going fine and that no one has a problem with what is happening which isnt true, many fans have left that franchise because of her stupid decisions.
sorry to go off like that but shae has drove me nuts the past year, he is the only one on this wiki who truly has a problem with my opinions and i considered him a friend at one point, i no longer do, if im not allowed to send out a discord link to invite fans on my own discord to where i can monitor and make my own rules, then i have to at least stay on here and ask you as an admin to tell him next time he goes off on me to back off a little.
If a verbal attack was made, I need a link. I don't have time in this moment to go hunting another users comments which from a quick glance is from 4(?) days ago.
Without seeing this comment, however, no one (recently) is trying to bully you to leave the wiki. Users have suggested that you take a break (for your own mental health) since your comments always seem negative and down putting (which some believe to be spam). On another thread, I've elaborated on this, further.
If action is needed, then yes, myself and/or another admin will take appropriate action (on either side).
No, please link me to a specific comment where such an attack has taken place. Considering your previous message indicated ("almost") self harm. This is a serious matter and I've already consulted with another admin and should it be substantiated, then Staff will be involved before anything escalates either from your comments or the other's.
i dont want this to get out of hand, i didnt actually intend on harming myself, im just saying his continuous comments ive gotten this year have made me feel suicidal, it doesnt help my depression at all
here is the latest comments of his that irritated me
Saying that you feel such a way is still as alarming as that you're actually having such thoughts. Both are serious in itself. More so, the opposite, saying it for what someone else could perceive as 'for attention' is also alarming.
here is the latest comments of his that irritated me
As for the links. Being "irritated" (which you state your are) and being "verbally attacked" are two totally separate things. Those comments you linked to me are not personal attacks. I do no perceive those as personal attacks (I can, however have a Staff member's opinion on the matter). No one user is always ever going to like every single comment. It's the internet. People get irritated.
But again, comments as such:
I didnt actually intend on harming myself, im just saying his continuous comments ive gotten this year have made me feel suicidal, it doesnt help my depression at all
Is why I suggest you (and other) take a break. Your mental health should be your primary concern. Legacies is a TV show that you personally (like everyone else) has not control or say in whatsoever. You don't need to get worked up over it or whatever anyone else has to say on the matter, especially when you state, and I quote "its making me almost suicidal through my depression".
Not every one is a troll. Those are usually pretty straight forward. Taking a break is often good. I've been doing it for a while off and on.
Now, with that said, would you like me to directly inquire with a Staff member? I can ask them to evaluate the comment(s) (and review this and the other thread I mention) and/or offer their own insights? I know of a couple and can directly inquire with them now. I will likely be unable to respond too much more today.
I want to update it since it's fairly filled with old information that doesn't apply anymore and besides under the bio part it reads "He has a cousin, Robbie Amell who is set to star in The CW's new show, The Tomorrow People." now I hardly qualifty that as someone's mini bio.
I'm pretty sure that creature lurking in the shadows of the cliffhanger of 'Hope is Not the Goal' was the Dryad since the next epsiode picked up where we left off with Dorian and I recall her be the same creature that Dorian got a glismped of before she was properly seen
Just be sure that you fact/double check in the future and look over your edits in the future. Myself or others are having to correct or remove your minor edits which to me looks like badgering, which is against policy.
Hello, SupremeZG. In terms of Legacies, that trivia was outdated and doesn't need to be included. The whole point of Legacies thus far is concerning the twins and their eventual Merge. So that and other dated or unnecessary points were removed. Hope that helps.
I'm guessing this has been asked before but I'm still new so how are Lana and Eve considered Hope's distant relatives? Is it just because their from the same pack that their considered distant relatives? I just don't get it It's confusing..
'Superpowerful Witch' and 'Most powerful witch in all of history' are titles and should reflect that as such if other main characters bear titles of similar structure. It should be reverted.
Also, I agree with the 'Acidic Blood Spell' change from the 'Blood poisoning Spell', but disagree with the removal of 'Forging Enchanted Thorns' and 'Strength Augmentation (on herself)' for the following reasons:
1. The Hollow created the Enchanted Thorns, thus it should be among her significant spells list.
2. The Hollow wouldn't have been able to pull a man three times her body size if it weren't by magical means.
Descriptions aren't used. I.e. the other three "most powerful..." aren't used as titles. That's not what the section is for and it is usually the first thing stated in the intro on each of their respective pages.
Usually* non-verbal "spells" are not included on the Spells and Rituals pages and non-verbal things aren't typically included in the infobox - *apart from say pyrokinesis, telekinesis, and pain infliction, etc. When the thorns were shown to be grown was magically sped up, but we did not see any "spell" from the Hollow. I'll revisit this, however, and see if it should be noted as a "spell" in some fashion on the page.
Strength Augmentation is speculation as we're not lead to believe that she did this before hand (otherwise she would have push Marcel off of her over changing her blood), despite her dragging a body.
Other main characters have such descriptions in their titles list. So, if a descriptive title must remain out of the Hollow's title list, then it must be removed from every other title list. Else, it should be reverted.
Aren't most magical deeds/feats of a witch either a verbal or non-verbal spell? Obviously, the Hollow was the one who created the Enchanted Thorns, resurrected Dominic and Davina, desiccated Marcel etc, as she either said she did it, gestured it or was actively present when said act was happening (like she did with the Thorns). Dominic to Sofya: 'Marcel's blood was spilled today. As he is the only one who can kill an Original...the Hollow has received this offering and given us a gift in return.' From this statement, it is clear that the Hollow was the one who created them. Though she wasn't physically shown to cast the spell to forge the Thorns, she was the one responsible from their existence and given the complexity of such a significant feat, it would be safe to say that she either cast a spell on that location prior to Marcel's arrival or remotely cast it.
Her not being able to physically fend off Marcel (who was supposed to be the strongest Original) doesn't mean that her strength wasn't augment, neither does it mean that it wasn't performed previously (or else this is a 'natural' ability of the Hollow?, but then it would still be magic) else she wouldn't have been able to pull a man three times her size. It simply meant that he was physically stronger than her.
Like I said, a description of the witch's power is not a title, i.e. Most/Very/Extreme, etc. powerful... and the description is used in the opening intro to their pages.
I never said the Hollow didn't perform it, but magical actions aren't listed. Spells from the spells and rituals are listed. But again, I'll revisit it and determine if it should be added to the page.
... it would be safe to say that she either cast a spell on that location prior to Marcel's arrival or remotely cast it.
^Speculation. We don't know when (i.e. if before or right then and there) or how (spell, non-verbal, remotely, etc) it was done; just that it was done.
To say he's three times her size is a bit of an exaggeration and just because she did drag a body with what seemed to be little/no effort, doesn't mean she augmented her strength to do such an action. There is nothing, no dialogue or effect, or anything, that suggests this happened.
Davina has been called "Super Witch", describing her power at the time, and it's listed in her titles list.
Yeah, something has to be done about it as soon as possible, as it is her significant magical feat, and cannot be absent from her page. Dahlia and other witches have performed non-verbal magical actions that are listed as spells on their pages e.g. Dahlia destroying the WO stake or her Golden dagger melting or plant manipulation; Qetsiyah restoring Stefan's memories or her Advanced pyrokinesis or her Dream Manipulation; Silas distrupting Qetsiyah's Anchor swap; Davina breaking Josh's compulsion etc. So what gives?
As stated above, other witches have performed magical deeds that were not categorically called spells by anyone but as listed as spells on their significant spells list. This would suggest that most active magical actions of a witch are spells, be them verbal or non-verbal. An incantation (the word or more) only either focuses the witch's power to match their intention, or is an alternative means to perfrom the same feat (especially for the sake of viewers).
For a girl of her size to pull a man of his size, with just one hand, on heels, there should have been a show of effort or strain, but there wasn't any. It is at best above average strength for a human girl her size.
Super witch is akin to superman or something equivalent but if that is a fuss then it can be removed. But I think Josh had said that more as a pet name, though I don't recall when or where or what context he said it in to her.
They are listed if there has been a verbal or similar spell. See the spells and rituals page for reference. I.e. Dahlia's spell to produce dahlia vines is lumped in with Bonnie's Nature Spell, etc.
That is debatable. But saying she perform a spell to do it is speculation.
No, 'Superman' is a title given to the DC character and has nothing to do with this universe. However, if we were to bring it into this U, it means the same thing; describes the power/magical skill of the witch. Also, it's not a fuss to me (or i'm not fussy about things), I only become 'fussy' when you become fussy about something that shouldn't be a huge deal. Also, the majority of Character titles are descriptions, Novice (described Mikael's perception of Davina's magical skill in one word), Little Bitch (Rebekah used this to describe not only Davina's size/age but also her disdain for her), King of New Orleans (describes Marcel's status in New Orleans), the Devil, Destroyer of Dreams, Bonnie the good witch etc are all titular descriptions of the addressed characters, so what gives with your statement that descriptions aren't used as titles?
But Dahlia melting the Golden Dagger without being present on screen is akin to the Hollow creating the Enchanted Thorns without being present on screen, yet it's listed on her list of spells. The same goes with her WO stake destruction which could have been a power or a non-verbal spell, but still has its place on her tittle page. If Dahlia's spell to create vines is addend to Bonnie's Nature Spell, then so should the Hollow's given that it's Plant Manipulation, but because of the specific process which went into creating such a plant (Enchanted Thorns) it should be advance Plant Manipulation (or simple called 'Creating Enchanted Thorns' given that Enchanted Thorns were a specific given name to that particular plant) as we've never seen a witch adapt a plant from special blood to become a loophole against an Immortal's existence.
At best it was an ability that came with her form, given that even her core bones were indestructible even by Original's strength or by fire. Given that it might or mightn't be a spell, especially this 'trait', it could be moved to trivia as speculation.
Wasn't talking about the "most powerful" bit for you said it was in the introductory paragraph, I was talking about the "Superpowerful Witch" title stated by Marcel, which I added but you deleted, citing that it shouldn't be on the title list given that is was a description, yet 85% of character titles are descriptions. Edit: Checking the intro section, I didn't see Vincent's statement about the Hollow: "most powerful witch in all of history", instead, I see "one of the most powerful witches in history". Who made this statement about her?
Yeah, when you add it to the Spell and Rituals page you can add it to her spell list.
You have said (and I have seen on several pages) that speculation belongs in trivia. You do not see it as a magical act, but I do, being that it unusual for a girl her age.
The point of the message was in context to the Hollow. It's diverging from that. "super powerful witch" is not a title or a nickname, which the section is for. Other witches have been defined as such, in some form, and it's listed in their intro or in their power section. Digressing, both Josh and Hayley have called Davina "super witch", (Hayley even adds "all-powerful"). ... However, it wasn't quoted, which it has as of now.
I said "speculation isn't added to articles". If something is presumed or inferred, with adequate evidence, then it can be added to trivia within bounds - but no, speculation is not allowed on articles. Her age is unknown and a single person moving another lifeless body of similar build is not unusual beyond normal means. It will not be included.
With that said, if you believe something is speculative (on any articles), please let me know and I can evaluate it. Otherwise, I've now addressed your concerns.
So, from your statement, a word or more is considered a description only when spoken by more than one person? I honestly do not remember that being the definition according to English. Note that I am going solely off of your own words about titles...unless you’re changing your statement. To the best of my knowledge “Super powerful witch” has never been used to describe other witches but even if it has been used, that shouldn’t make it less of a description or title. “Bitch” and other words have been used to describe more than one character in this U, but that word has been listed as a title. So what gives? You also stated that the Hollow was called “one of the most powerful in history” and I asked you who made that statement, and you still haven’t told me who.
It was made clear that the thorn bushes were created by the Hollow, as her “gift” to her followers. So, I don’t know what is inaccurate about that.
Let’s agree to disagree about the body size and age to physical strength ratio, but I take a huge exception to being written (spoken) down to in the manner you have in the following statement: “It will not be included”. We both know what it means when a word is written in bold; writing it the usual way doesn’t take away its message. Please, may it not happen again. Cheers.
Descriptions of power are not used. Those description are used as lead-in within the character introduction and power sections. That is how it is.
I answered you before.
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However, it wasn't quoted, which it has as of now.
Which was shown here, prior to my comment (which you may or may not have checked the page since the previous).
Again, I'm not disputing that the Hollow created them. It was presented as a magical action and not a spell. The section is 'Significant Spells' and actions, apart from I mentioned before are typically not added to such a section.
I'm not sure what your insinuating, but one bolded word is used for emphasis, not "written (spoken) down" - and I bolded it since I had made the same point several times in prior messages.
Calling Davina a Super witch by Josh and Hayley, as you pointed, is a description of power (her power at the time); it wouldn’t have been bestowed upon her if not for the speakers’ perception of her power. And the same context was used when Marcel called the Hollow “Super powerful...”. In all cases “Super” was the word used to describe the witch’s power.
“Those description are used as lead-in within the character introduction and power sections”.
I understand how descriptions are used as to introduce a character and in P&A sections, but can you use a statement that isn’t canon? Every witch who has “one of the most powerful witches in history/the world,” in their introduction or P&A sections have been literarily given that title either by a another character or by one of the writers in an interview. Vincent called the Hollow “the most powerful witch in all of history”. That is a canon statement, but this is not stated in her introduction page, or P&A section. To the best of my knowledge, he never called her “one of the most powerful witches in history,” which is different from the first title.
The reason I do not agree with this is because Dahlia and a number of other witches have performed magical actions that were not outrightly stated to be spells or had any form of incantation (to suggest a spell was being cast) e.g Dahlia destroying the WO stake among the majority of her magical actions or her control of plants, yet they were added to Significant spells lists. If we clearly know that the Hollow created the Thorns that could kill an Original what’s stopping such to be on her list?
Writing in bold to a person, especially in the context of an argument, especially the specific word “not” will be taken the wrong way. Though you’re an admin (one of the authorities here) and a very effective one, your word isn’t final, as there’s always room for re-evaluation and change by other admins and so on. Thus, writing with a bolded “not” mightn’t be the best way to resolve a problem. Saying it to any user at all, bolded or not, comes across as condescending. Do you understand what I’m trying to say?
According to Vincent, the Hollow is much older than the Ancestors and is one of "the most powerful witches in all of history". Following her original death, she obtained followers to perform her dark deeds. Since her resurrection, her followers claim that she is more powerful than the Ancestors.
Like I said I'll revisit it for the Spell and Rituals page, but spells are listed in the infobox from the Spells and Rituals page.
Dahlia's is listed. I've not gotten around to the Hollow. And I'm pretty sure I've revised just about all, if not all, to reflect the spells and rituals pages, so please direct me to which other witch character hasn't been revised for format.
It seems I'm having to repeat myself, so emphasis is needed because (1) as I've stated before, speculation is not to be added on to articles. (2) You're insisting otherwise, repeatedly, but have no proof, and I've had to repeatedly say the same thing (speculation will not be added). That is the only emphasis and or context I use bold in and speculation on articles have long standing on this (an just about any) community.