Hi Original Authority! I'm Mike with Fandom's Movie and TV Vertical. I have sent you an email to the address linked to your Fandom account. When you get a chance, can you take a look and reply? Thanks in advance!
I originally left this message for Alaric but I don't think he's active at the moment so I wanted to bring it up with you. I am a moderator over at the Charmed Wiki and I was hoping that the two Wikis can become affiliated. Both Wikis are for CW shows that have powerful female witches as a focus and I believe that the affiliation can be very beneficial. Let me know what you and any other staff come to decide. Thank you!
Hey OA :) wanted to ask you about Landon's race\species. It says that in TO he was human. it's not true. He was always a supernatural - he just ddin't know it. And he is not a phoenix eighter - he is half a golem, or something along the lines of that. Alaric's assumption wasn't true - he didn't know who Landon's father was. Is there a chance you can please fix it?
You undid my edit with the argument that Hope's transformation control comes from her being a tribrid, not because her werewolf side is evolved. It has been EXPLICITLY stated in TO that her transformation control comes from her being an evolved werewolf of the Crescent wolf pack...
Klaus did state her to be a Crescent wolf capable of transformation control (go to see TO season 5, episode 12. Stated around minute 4), where do you even get the assumption that her tribrid side is the one granting her that?
I was wondering if we could split up the family part of Josie and Lizzie's infoboxes into "actual" family (via Caroline and Alaric but replacing the word actual with something more fitting) and biological family (via Jo) as they consider Caroline to be their mother and Elizabeth to be their grandmother. To me the infoboxes currently seem like the only relation they have to Caroline is that she carried them (I would also suggest dropping the prefix surrogate or changing it to adoptive as it's basically embyro adoption) as well as ignoring Caroline's side of the family. Legacies also stated that Caroline is their actual mother and Jo isn't. I would also change their introductory summary. I attached an image showing what I mean:
I've reordered Josette under Biological and Caroline as Surrogate within the infobox. Alaric, too, is a biological parent, and there's not a valid reason (to me) to not include them both together when Josette is isolated and stated as "Biological" (shown above and previous edit to mine for correction).
As far as the Surrogate Maternal Ancestors go, via Carolina... I'm not sure that's even necessary because Lizzie has only referred to Caroline's mother... i.e. she was named after their (Lizzie and Josie's) mother's (Caroline) mom (Liz Forbes)... "I'm Lizzie. After my mother's mom." They aren't biological related to any of her ancestors, so it just seems unnecessary to me to include anyone beyond Caroline or her parents. That's just my two cents though. That like listing Stefan as their step-father when Caroline was only married for less than a day and there was no 'formal' adoption that's been stated as canon. -Thoughts?
I totally see where you are coming from. For me it just seemed like the series implied adoption (which althought not confirmed just seemed logical for me for Caroline to have adopted them). Thus I'm kind of of the opposite opinion and would consider Caroline's family more "important" than Jo's.
I'm going to try to reach out to the writers via twitter even though I doubt they will reply.
As far as the show is concerned, they've never stated that it's an adoption and such information shouldn't be implied to be as such. We do not add in speculation and such a direct statement ("Caroline adopted them") without an actual canonical statement or proof to reinforce that, directly goes against our community policy. Should it be elucidated later in the show, then it can be revisited and/or updated as needed.
In terms of importance - Caroline's family as a whole is nigh irrelevant to Lizzie and Josie, even less to Josie. Alaric named Lizzie after Caroline's mother (the only Forbes ever reference by Lizzie or Josie, I believe) and Josie after his late fiancée. As far as the rest of the Forbes family is concerned, they're not once mentioned beyond Liz. Josette's family and their history is the driving plot for Caroline's absence in Legacies and the underlying theme of the Merge and Alaric trying to prevent it has been and likely to continue to be recurring plot points until resolved. In terms of the infobox, I find listing the Forbes family beyond nuclear family members to be in excess as Caroline's family isn't a concern to Lizzie and Josie. It would be like listing the entirety to the Salvatore family because Caroline was 'married' to Stefan for less than a day before his death - I even find listing Stefan as "step-father" to the twins as illogical as the length of the marriage was like 12 hours or something to that effect and Caroline is only their surrogate mother and they biologically have a father (and their biological mother died prior to their birth). Despite the mess, those are my thoughts.
Original Authority, can you please read over this topic and provide some input? Some of the concern addressed therein would be community wide and I believe either yours or Alaric's input would be needed, or both.
I do understand the first part of it not being explictly mentioned anywhere in the show however, if you actually think about it why would there be need for an adoption? So if you want to go down that route: Caroline literally gave birth to them and has always been spoken of as their mother. Not once has Alaric or the girls or anyone else for that matter stated that Caroline is their surrogate mother. Even Josette has stated that Caroline is their mother.
If you look at it from a logical POV: How would they have explained the officials that the twins were magically teleported into Caroline's womb and are biologically not hers?
I also understand your point of about the plot however, that is purely because of their genetics and not because Josette is their real mother. If think you can compare it to parents finding out that their adopted kid has some genetic disease that they are trying to provent from spreading.
For me the importance of their family and history lies on Caroline and not on Jo. Moreover, if you go from a canon POV Jo has only ever been refered to as "bio mom" or "the kids' biological mother". And when Alaric talks about how some of the twins from the Gemini coven go mad he also never says that it runs in their family but rather their genes. The kids have never talked about any other member of Jo's family either. So if I apply your arguments to this then there is no reason to add Jo's family to their inbox.
And as for Stefan, I don't think it should matter for how long they were married. It's not like they divorced after 12 hours, he died.
I do think that we need more input as well moreover, I also don't think that the show will ever explictily say that Caroline adopted them as there would be no real reason of her to do so.