Now I'm a bit confused on pics you upload that is titled for afterlife or fire, for fire I can only tell the latest is Arcadius from An Eternity of Misery or possibly recap (somehow afterlife isn't confusing because we saw it until the end in tvd/not sure which episode in TO though besides that it was in season 2).. but fire pics showing Silas and Stefan, which episode were they from?
Alright, however can you include the season episode number on images when you upload them? Because it can still be confusing to see info next to an image labeled with any objects or magic without the show's name and episode and it would be convient for users to see the show/episode number in the image title so they don't have to skim through seasons to look for which episode these images are from.. An example would be the image of the symbol for a spell Freya used to trap Lucien to weaken him.
^Yeah, I've seen it happened before.. Sometimes he names it like that, other time he labels images that includes season and number. (either it happens or there are not images of places or objects seen ever in the series)
Actually, I considered using that picture for the Sirens page but most of it was covered by shadow. I took this one so more of her face could be seen and also would make it more obvious that she was eating a human.
Ok, when I looked at the one on her page doesn't look too much shadow.. Anyway, did you watch TO season 4 (2nd) episode? I saw one of the witches made an enhanced wooden charm for her son, does that go on a magic page or enhanced object for different usage doesn't count?
I saw it too. I think it's gonna be an individual object page but I don't think we should create one at the moment as currently there's not much info. I do forsee it being used in the season since it looks like it can be used against the blue lights so we will probably get more info soon.
I was wondering if you thought the Hellfire Manipulation Spell was improperly named? I mean the initial use could be used to manipulate all fire, not just hellfire, and just so have happened to be used to manipulate hellfire first. I'm asking because Bennett Blood Mage and I are having a bit of an argument/disagreement on it and could use another opinion.
For this case, I think both can be correct but I doubt we will have more opportunities to see more of this spell for better comparision since the finale is so close.
From my experience in editing the S&R page, I believe the fairest compromise would be to simplify the naming such as fire manipulation spell but also adding something along the lines of 'it is powerful enough to manipulate even hellfire' to uncomplicate matters.
^ Pardon the intrusion but this sounds like cherry picking. It is well known that actors in tvd/to pronounce spells differently, just looks at how 'phesmatos' gets pronounced by diffferent characters. This issue has been going on long enough and both @Silent Whoopie and @Jols have said the same thing @Bennett you should stop being so stubborn.
Fire Manipulation Spell:A spell that is able to decrease and/or increase the intensity of localized small to medium-sized fires. At a more advanced scale for powerful witches, it can be used to control explosions and that of large spanning fires.
First Incantation:Ex Spiritum In Tacullum, En Terrum Incendium, Phasmatos Salves A Distum.
Second Incantation:Phasmatos motus incendiamos!
Used By: In Founder's Day, Bonnie Bennett used this spell to diminish the flames in the basement of the Old Gilbert Building so that Stefan could save Damon. Once sensing that they got out, she brought the flames back up so that all the other vampires within could perish. In We're Planning a June Wedding, Bonnie used the second incantation by adapting her ancestor's Hellfire Manipulation Spell. She taught the spell to Lizzie and Josie and, together, they performed this spell to protect themselves from a huge, fiery explosion. The spell worked to prevent fire, smoke and heat from coming near them as if they were within a magical bubble. Bonnie then directed the entire explosion and residual flames up and out of the building through the fireplace chimney.
Hellfire Manipulation Spell:A powerful spell that utilized a large coven of Bennett witches to contain and prevent the unleashing of hellfire.
Used By: Beatrice Bennett, along with her coven, chanted as one to pull their magic to prevent the destruction of Mystic Falls when Ethan Maxwell rang the corrupted Founders Bell twelve times. Though Beatrice and the community were spared, the rest of her coven wasn't as fortunate as the fires consumed them.
Should we add Santeria? I know not a lot is known about it, but most of the info from the Hoodoo section is just info you would find on Wikipedia or common knowledge and the one thing who do know about it from the TVD universe. It's the same thing with Shamanism, so adding Santeria would be the same thing as the Hoodoo and Shamanism sections.
I'd assume not since it was not a named practice/magic like with Vincent mentioning the NO magics specific to their different covens.
There was one witch of a region that Rebekah sought out, where it is likely she practice such magics, but I don't see it being useful to the page (as she was also aligned with the Strix). They've also included various other kinds/regions of witches including: Strega, Yoruba/Aje, Häxa, the Obi Witch and Latvian witches... but their respective disciplines of magic are not listed... perhaps a minor trivia note on the page or something on the Moroccan Witch's page.. since it is not a commonplace with TVD/TO magic.
Santeria is mentioned on the page but does not have enough info to warrant a section. Hoodoo is grouped with the types of magic mentioned by vincent practiced by the new orleans covens. Hoodoo and Shamanism also have covens to represent them and denote practices unique to them, Santeria only has the Moroccan witch who's spells were not unique to any one type of magic.
Siphoning is not a spell but it has been decided before that feats of siphoning can occupy the significant spells section of the infobox.
@The Silent Whoopie Cushion On the Spells and Rituals page, do you think the Doppelgänger Prophecy Spell belongs under Divination spells? I know in the description it covers prophecies as well, but creating a prophecy and seeing/reliving one are two very different things. Creating a prophecy is not Divination.
As for the gallery I added on the Bright World page, the gallery on the parent page shouldn't even be there. All of those pics are of the Bright World which means they should be on the Bright World page.
The bright world is the true afterlife. It is where everyone ends up eventually without all other artificial dimensions. The bright world is an extension of that page.
Fyi, those two images were added into the spririts page because they were the same people that gave bonnie her power in s2. There were unseen for the longest time and those are only images that gave them their face.
I think we should keep a few pics from the Afterlife gallery now and just add others from the other afterlife dimensions. I get what you're saying, but they don't belong on the Spirits page because they're no longer The Spirits. I don't think being unseen and wanting users to see that they were the ones to give Bonnie access to their power in Season 2 is a good enough reason to add to The Spirits gallery if it's not true.
Just because they are created ones, doesn't mean they're aren't still afterlife pages? The Coven gallery has a few/couple pics from each coven. Those images are when they're still members of the Ancestors and the Ancestral Plane still exists, TOS doesn't which means they're longer members of the Spirits. They were resurrected from the Ancestral Plane which makes them still Ancestors; the Bennett witches were on TOS until its collapse, unless some of the them found peace before then, and are no longer The Spirits.
Stepping in for a moment but, The Bennett witches shown in the finale would have been on TOS and subsequently found peace, hence their spirit form to aid Bonnie. They were good souls that weren't needed by Arcadius.
They were the original witches that empowered Bonnie and, true to form, continued to aid her in her greatest moment of need. I agree with representing that.
I get what you're saying and for representing that they empowered her and came to her aid, but again they're not The Spirits anymore and imo those images have no place on The Spirits page. I understand we never got to see their faces and now that we saw their faces, we want to show everyone who empowered Bonnie, but we can't use them if they're no longer The Spirits.
That can be resolved simply by putting a note with the image(s)... I.e. they were an unseen phenomena yet years after the collapse of the Other Side, they returned to aid Bonnie once again... as long as it's linked back and not miss representing that as of that image they were "The Spirits" then it's fine imo.
Should I remove the gallery/pics from the Afterlife gallery and move them to the Bright World page? I mean, they're pics in the Bright World after all, so they should be on the Bright World page instead of the Afterlife page. What do you we have the Dimensions page for again?
@The Silent Why did you revert my edit and remove the picture I added? What does the previous image show the coven have to do with it? The one I added showed the coven too, not their faces, but showed them demonstrating Pyrokinesis. The previous image didn't even show them displaying Pyrokinesis, so it's irrelevant on the Pyrokinesis page. Obviously the pyrokinesis page needs to show some pyrokinesis and without it, the image doesn't belong anywhere on that page.
^It doesn't have to physically "show" it... they are performing the spell in the previous image (together as one)... most of the Telekinesis and Pain Infliction (images) only show a hand gesture or a stern gaze, etc. As with the current Image it does not highlight the Bennett Ancestry/Coven which is what the section is about.
Imo it's better when it's shown. It actually shows the witch actually using Pyrokinesis, rather than just a hand gesture or a stern gaze. Also, I think the reason the Telekinesis and Pain Infliction pages have just the hand gesture or stern gaze is either the wikia doesn't have a better one actually showing the witch using Telekinesis or Pain Infliction or users don't want to use the gifs. What do you mean it doesn't highlight the Bennett Coven? The Bennett Coven are in the picture using Pyrokinesis.
^ I have already stated that peace and the afterlife are be the same, the dimensions page a list of all dimensions known in the tvd/to universe. There is nothing wrong with either page as is and only you seem to have a problem with it.
What do you mean they're the same? No they're aren't. The afterlife page is a list of afterlife dimensions and peace is one of them. As I keep telling you, those pics are in the Bright World and should be on the Bright World page. Why can't you just add the gallery to the Bright World and keep the gallery on the Afterlife page, but with images of the different afterlife dimensions like Hell, the Ancestral Plane and etc.?
DelenaTheOneAndOnly wrote: Hi, I think that Afterlife and Bright World can be the same, unlike all the punishing dimensions (the Other Side, Arcadius's Hell, Prison Worlds); I.e nobody has created the true Afterlife, and somebody has created the other realms.
So I think, if nobody has created Bright World, it's images should be on the Afterlife's page.
I forwarded the thread to an admin and this is their reply. So, to me this is final.
The spacing is appropriate. They are organized by episode by season. When you off set them it throws the text off and everything looks jumbled and visually displeasing. Text on the left and image/gif on the right is how they'very been formated for a while now since I've updated the pages.
As for the character pages I don't necessarily agree with that either, they should be offset per episode if more than one image is used.
Even if they are offset according to episode, there are too many images in addition to inconsistency of each gif's dimensions does not make it aestheticly pleasing either. Bonnie's last section for instance. Dahlia's tk section is another example. There's barely enough text for those three images that they are also not placed at their corresponding episode which also defeats the purpose of the format.
I'm working on replacing the gifs. I've already replaced the Gloria one though I have to check each one about the name and whether or not to add a new version or to upload and delete, and if a new one is added, where else are they located, etc.
They are grouped within the section. Some have many occurrences and/or description is not enough. The gif/images are meant to highlight certain feats. Within a season or episode depending on the character. Furthermore the descriptions are detailed enough where one should be able to figure out which image goes with what episode.
I've detailed everything (with pyrokinesis more so the active use of it for spells or to attack someone.. not lighting a candle or candle flames rising with intensity, etc.) Some of the descriptions are short (not enough lengthwise), though the ones that correspond with a gif/images are detailed to represent said image.
When you say really close together, do you mean that text doesn't separate them? Because there is space and I think that is fine. They don't break sections, for the most part, nor move into othe season sections.
I totally agree images should not break sections or move to other seasons. It's not just about having text seperating them, the images should have some space before another image appears or else it will make the section look congested. Again, using Bonnie's section as an example, the frequency of images appearing the right makes it look like an entire colomn. On large sections as such, it effectively cuts the text almost by half.
I don't understand when you say blend, there is a larger space between Dahlia's last gif and the acolyte image. I think the section looks neat and organized, why would it looking like a "column" matter?
...image about her acolytes and that is already at 200px.
That is a subsection, hence the reduced image size. 250px would have been fine too, though I decided on the former for that reasoning.
Also, the few occurrences where that happens are with groups. Like with the sisters (I decided to keep the two Ariane gifs because they are unique) and as long as they are together in the overall section "The Sisters" then it's fine, imo.
Can you honestly say all four images do not look grouped together when the acolytes image is suppose to be seperated even with that barely larger space. Precisely, all four of those images are already at 200px and there's barely space between them. It also makes reading harder because it looks congested.
RIght, let's use ariane as an example look at her P&A section on her page and then her TK section since both uses the same two images. Which section looks less chunked up?
They are supposed to be grouped together? There doesn't need to be a large amount of space. Okay, really.. how is it congested? The text is all on the left, it's not any different than reading a summary or P&A section..
Chunked, being a solid, coherent (in this sense) portion of something, Telekinesis is better imo. Ariane's P&A has additional information between the time those two occurrences hence the separation of paragraphs (2 large chunks). With the Telekinesis page the two gifs fit neatly within the Ariane portion of text.
I've worked both of this pages for months, starting approximately last summer or before, there's not been any issues from anyone who's seen/edited the pages, Admin/user alike. I honestly don't see why this is all of a sudden an issue... Also another user and I were beginning to add to pyrokinesis before I was told he was in a car accident. Personally, I put my updates on hold (see my profile page) because I've also worked on transcripts and other character update, hence I've only added to Bonnie's for the last two episodes of the series.
Dahlia's acoyltes are suppose to be separated hence, it in a subsection. A space of four line is not a large amount of space and helps in sectioning the paragraph. When it's a whole chunk that is to say it is a 16 line paragragh with no variation in length for the reader, the text gets boring and taxing very fast. Even now, you space your paragraphs which makes it easier to read.
How do you know the number of people that have visited the page. I had not been paying attention to the page even though I have been working on it since 2015 and only now I realised the change in format.
Well, I am not working on other pages so I am free to update the page.
If the paragraph is only a single/couple lines of text, (like with Bonnie on one of the pages, then the power was only used once by said witch in said season.
If they were paragraphed off by episodes it would look to separated/spliced apart, especially for the main witches that have used the power numerously.
I don't have a number, I was speaking generally. I've edited the pages numerous times over the course of a few months where other users and editors have been active. There was that brief period where Wiki/Fanon had that "nice job" about editing thing where I was complemented by an admin, I believe on one of the two pages. If someone had an issue with it, it should have been brought to attention months ago and its not been mentioned to me since then.
The only comment I saw about the change was when I reorganized it by order of appearance of use (seen on screen) (on Pain Infliction article) since Sheila was the first one to use it (Qetsiyah chronologically --see trivia).
Please do help me edit the pyro page, I'll probably be going back to help with Transcripts soon, so I'll probably just continue updates with "new" occurrences if/when in season 4 TO
In fact, Pyrokinesis was most heavily used in the earlier season of TVD. In season 4-5, Bonnie was inactive with this and I believe only Liv, Kai and Jo used the power, s6 the I think just Valerie (Nora/Mary-Lou stopped fired), etc... not much in the later season since Bonnie was on the magic suppression pills, etc. Either in causing, controlling, or stopping a fire with the power.
There is nothing wrong with the format if they are paragraphed by season then it's only fitting that one season gets one image tops. Giving space between images helps make the paragraph less monotonous for the reasons a stated above. All I'm saying is to cut back on some images.
Sure. I'm currently going to tackle kai's section since it has been TBA for a long time.
I disagree about the "Giving space between images helps make the paragraph less monotonous"... seems to me like if you have images it would bring the words to life --visual representation with the section rather than scrolling to the bottom for the gallery.
However, (counteroffer) what about season with many episodes.. what about two images instead of one? or to detail rare/unique feats? (I.e. Bonnie in the last two episodes with pyrokinesis).
I'd rather use the gifs if possible (instead of seeing them deleted) as with powers they show more than images.
I agree on using gifs as long as they are all consistant with each other (dimension, no filter, no watermark). That's true but there is no focus when that many images gets so close together. Anyway, it looks like we could go on and on about it and I'm satisfied to agree to disagree on that part. For now I will focus on updating the sections.
Same so I will continue to update the gifs. For now I'm focusing attention on the mis-shapened gifs, such as Gloria's old one (deleted since it was mis-named) and various other one.
Currently, since I have the episodes, this is my process: I section out (upwards of 10 sec; no more at 1080p) with movie maker (from Windows) then use a website to convert the mp4 into a gif. For some reason saving the mp4 can be cumbersome and slow (though not always the case)... I've got ~2 gifs already made and was going to upload later today/weekend although since the previous ones are mis-named/not specific. (These two files: Here and here). (I've already replaced Sheila's pain infliction and Gloria's Pyrokinesis)
Once they odd shaped ones are corrected, I'm move on to replace the ones with word marks, etc.
If you know of a quicker process, please let me know.
Shall we discuss which gifs/images will be removed collectively, or since I placed them there to begin with, would you rather me to do it?
Also, I had a thought, since they are sectioned off as TVD/TO, could we have a separate gallery as well that way for TVD, you don't have to scroll to the bottom of the page?
What do you mean when you say "stop adding images that don't show the cemetery"? Every part of the cemetery makes up the whole meaning even though there are images that don't show the crypts/gravestones that doesn't mean it doesn't show the cemetery. The cemetery is huge and vast, so it show the other parts of it too.
The page is focused on the Cemetery. Those images don't focus on that, the focus on what's happening in them. See other cemetery pages as a reference because it's been clutter up with images that aren't necessary.
Because that scene didn't happen in that episode. That scene took place at the end of the first season of the Originals, so that picture shouldn't have been on the Originals episode page. Also, why is the 'unknown if they found peace or not' necessary? I mean, isn't it kinda implied or just not needed?
I'll explore the image later this weekend, though it's been there for a while. Also, that is one reason why edit summaries are valuable (even though it's not a necessity).. it looks like vandalism because there was no reason given why something was removed.
Another user contacted an Admin about making his distinction since some are know to have found peace. (I believe it was a message to admin Alaric. You can skim his message wall to see this if your interested. -- though I believe it was agreed to have a bot go through and do this for the many, many others.)
@Bennett Blood Could you remove that image now on The Originals episode page, clearly it doesn't belong? That image showed something that didn't happen in that episode, so it doesn't belong on the page.
Should the Hollow talisman go on the Talismans page? Isn't it kinda redundant or something to have an image in the infobox or on the page and that same image in the gallery? I mean the image is already on the page, why have the same picture on there twice?
Should the Hollow talisman go on the Talismans page?
I put it there last night.
Isn't it kinda redundant or something to have an image in the infobox or on the page and that same image in the gallery? I mean the image is already on the page, why have the same picture on there twice?
The profile image is meant to chage/update. The image in the gallery is not.
Because when the profile image is updated, the gallery image would just have to be added back, hence leaving it is fine. It is also a screencap, where as the profile image is cropped. For now it is fine as many of the screencaps are used for the new profile images.
If say the actual screencap is used, i.e. on group/species, etc., then it would be a duplicate.
Not really. An amulet and talisman could be the same, but usually they're not. An amulet protects the wearer from harm and talismans are used by witches to help focus their power and to draw on for power. A protective charm is a witches' tool and imo should be on the Witches' tools page. The Witches' tools page is for all witches' tools, obviously, which it is.
I'm saying the term is used interchangeably (which is why they are synonyms).
The closest thing on the witches' tools page would be a talisman.
And I think this quote ("Protection charm it's the protection charm. A gift given with a mother's love for her son.") gives a pretty decent reason why given the summary of a Talisman.
alismans are ordinary objects, normally jewelry such as necklaces, which are created by Witches mostly to focus their magic. Typically, talismans allow a witch to draw more power and focus their own in order to cast more difficult spells that would otherwise be very taxing for any one witch.
Talismans can also come in other forms such as personal items and spelled objects to grant magic to other witches, such as Siphoners.
With all due respect, that summary has nothing to do with what we're talking about and doesn't provide a good enough reason to justify putting it on the talisman page, but I'm tired of going back and forth on it, so okay.
Well to me it doesn't sound like a talisman. Maxine created it out of her love because obviously she loves her son and wants him to be safe. She obviously cast a spell to create the protective charm, so it doesn't sound like a talisman. In the gallery. There really isn't room for it unless you added a subsection/section for amulets, so the gallery is the only place for it.
Talisman is the name of the page, but it encompasses other, similar objects.
What about something like this (on the talisman page)?
Maxine's Protection Charm: It is a small, ornately carved, diamond-shapped piece of wood. On it's face, it embellishes an unknown women. This amulet was spelled with a powerful protection enchantment and the love a mother has for her son. When freely given, the magic instilled within the charm can protect others against powerful dark magic.
Talisman of the Hollow: A medium sized wooden medallion. It is inscribed with an unknown sigil, likely related to sacrificial magic and adorned with a metal ouroboros. The origin of this talisman remain unknown though it's been touched by the Hollow and, with it, contains a token of it's dark power. Followers of the Hollow can act as conduits of the Hollow itself, allowing non-magical beings able to perform magic via the Hollow.
Can you elaborate as to why it is not applicable to the page? It includes their physical attributes and a list of all they weapons a total of all the hunters have use, why not include their P&A and weakness. They may be a group but they are also a species of supernatural hunter, where the abilities don't vary from member to member.
Alright. I guess I forgot it was already on the Supernatural Hunter page too (since it also includes Rayna). The individual characters, Galan and Connor, have been formatted like that of standard witches, vampires, and werewolves... since the abilities are common among the members.
Well I havent had the chance to watch the new episode fully since after hiatus cause I'm currently overseas (hence my poor attendance on this wiki).
But from what I gathered with clips so far, on one hand i like how they tied in the history and what was previously mentioned so the whole siren saga do not seem so foreign. On the other hand, I'm starting to dislike the fact that any major supernatural event seems to have a connection with mystic falls. Its too much of a coincidence and no explanation is given.
That sucks. Hopefully you'll be able to catch up soon.
I feel the same. I like how it is tied together though I think they could have elaborated more during the initial introduction, other then they were burned for witchcraft. Yeah I've come to terms with it, I didn't really expect for it to change given the final season. I guess I'm just happy they aren't making it too outlandish. I.e. tying back the founding family, Mystical Falls and the witches. I hope they do explain it eventually though.
I won't say too much more for spoilers if you're still trying to watch the episode (I've only got about half the transcript up).
Yup. I'm avoiding those pages for now. I guess that's what the writers are aiming, to not introduce too many new elements so it won't be a chore to conclude the final finale and it's working. Let's hope the season continues as such.
Yeah the connections are great and the execution is pretty good. I think they are referencing the heck out of Elena (which gets on my nerves) but some elements are interesting (others are not quite fleshed out yet).
Also avoid the Abandoned Cottage page. I've revised it to include the most recent episode (so spoilers), as well as some episodes/images it was lacking.
Thoughts on "Cade's Blade" page. Cade is a nickname and I don't believe they ever stated/called it as such. In the new episode, Arcadius himself calls it an Ashen Dagger as in forged from his ashes. So at the least should it be renamed to Arcadius' Dagger or Ashen Dagger? One of the two better reflects the weapon imo. Just thought I'd ask, since I typically don't move pages.
It was okay imo. A little anti-climatic. Damons's death was pointless and the Devil (like all their other Immortal you can't beat me big bads) went down really easy. Seemed a little cheesy (not that I was expecting some huge battle or anything).
Kudos to Chris Wood. He's always entertaining as Kai. The Bonnie versus Arcadius battle was interesting it seemed to be handled well.
I have the exact same sentiments, the writers could have handled their villian arcs a bit better. The high point for me will have to be Katherine's reveal. I'm currently just pinning all my hopes on that.
True. After seeing him play a villian so well in TVD I thought I would never see him as the good guy but his potrayal in Supergirl proved me wrong.
I did like the way they revealed Katherine's involvement. I think it coming from Kai proved how dangerous the final episodes will (or at least I hope) be. Also I felt Kai's ending was befitting of him and happy that Bonnie was the one (of partly) responsible for it; revenge and all complete.
I've enjoyed him on Supergirl (and Containment). He's a very diverse actor that seems to be able to perform a wide range of roles; all of them very well done.
So the 'new' dimension, The In-Between, how is that different (or I guess is that the same?), as Arcadius stating, when Stefan first died as an immortal servant, that they were just behind the veil (Reference: The Next Time I Hurt Somebody, It Could Be You).
He told Stefan he could call it Limbo if he must, but I believe at one point in time they used that term for the Other Side. I was curious. Seems like it could be applied of multiple past points.
I.e. Jeremy not moving on (Emily Resurrecting him). Qetsiyah and Katherine talking to Bonnie before (or not) crossing over to the Other Side... just thinking. Glad you added it (the images look great with that and Bonnie's too).
Thank you! I considered that too, but both TOS and AP have been referred to as limbo before. Clever observation, maybe this scenes were added this season to tie in with all the other seasons. If that's the case kudos to whoever thought of it.
Hello! I saw you've recently edited a couple of articles on novel characters so would you recommend reading "The Originals" novels? Have witches a role in the plot or are just witch-for-hire as usual? I read brief passages on the Wiki, but I still have some doubts especially as I didn't particularly like Lisa Jane Smith books... sorry the many questions ;)
It's repeating a lot of the information over and over. Them being psychics have been emphasized in almost all the sections, I'm sure people would not get the wrong idea plus, we still do not know where to classify psychics in the supernatural region yet.
It seems to be the standard for most species pages not using the list template, just look at the immortal, doppelganger, original vampire and enhanced original vampire pages.
Wouldn't it make more sense to remove it from the later sections then?
Some users have (see the context) hence why I and another user thought it was necessary for the clarification.
If that is standard then, they Psychic page needs to be revised. Personally, I think the gallery image (like OA used on the Psychic page) and link to the siren looks better. Far less words and no pre history info. If more information is sought, then clicking the link will take you there. Or have it tabbed or sectioned off with the smaller headers for both Sirens..
Well, most if it is pretty relevant to the sections. I'm not gonna harp on it, I don't mind putting it back but I'm also quite curious on the situation of sirens/immortality/psychic. I don't think they psychics anymore because they are not human it's just that their abilities got carried on after they turn. It's like the witch/vampire thing, the only thing stopping vampires from practising magic is due to the consequences.
Sure, but don't most species pages which uses the list template already have words and pre-history on them.
If you think about it, only witches appear to be the delicate species that just can't be mixed as seen with Bonnie. Most others mixed without much difficulty (Anchor+Immortal, Doppleganger+Vampire, Doppleganger+Witch, Medium+Hunter).
I'm sure more info will come as the season progress. I have feeling they might throw in a season 5 and make immortals being inspired by sirens cause we don't know where Seline was this entire time, she could have met Qetsiyah.
Btw, any thoughts on hell being real? I personally think it's abit cheap.
That's one of Qetsiyah's plots that need closure. I'd like to know more about the afterlife and who found peace.
It seems a bit iffy to me. I mean they have those that have found peace so it makes sense about Hell though the means and how it operates is suspect. I think it is just another Dimension, a stepping stone to the true end and will be more in depth explained. Arcadius being able to rule it seems out of his league for a 'psychic'. I mean Qetsiyah didn't even have that control in her own dimension after death, so what does being a psychic give him the power to do so.. seems questionable imo.
Unlike witches, who can show sign of and/or be taught from a young age about magic, psychics manifest their abilities later in life. "Come of age" suggests that this time is at or around puberty.
Freya and Hope have shown signs of magic at age 5 and below and Liv was learning magic well before the second grade. Pyschic abilities as shown with Sybil, occurred later in later in which she states "come of age"..
We have cases like Bonnie who manifested magic in her teens which suggest the age in which witches can manifest magic is not fixed. We also do not know about Seline and Cade's case. Plus the psychics had no one before them to be taught, it's not fair to assume them could not have practise their abilities at a younger age.
I meant having that exception statement would have been a further justification.. something like this:
Unlike witches, who can show sign of and/or be taught from a young age about magic, psychics manifest their abilities later in life. The one proven example is Sybil; as she "Came of age", she psychic abilities became apparent. This suggests that this time is at or around puberty.
However there are some exceptions. Bonnie developed her magic around puberty (though witches can display their power well before the age of 5) while Cade's and Seline's manifestation of power remains unknown.
I think something like that could suffice? But it doesn't matter.
The way Sybil told her story, it just seemed like there is a certain time in which a psychic develops one's abilities.
Thanks for correcting it, however I don't get why you change spirit status for those are in hell to spirit of hell...I don't see it doesn't make a difference when spirit on characters pages are linked to where their spirits is/was?
Well, all spirits belonging to another realm seem to have their own name (ghost for TOS, ancestral spirit for AP). I think it's would be better to differentiate them from spirits trapped in objects (phoenix stone/freya's talisman) since they currently both have the same name.
Hey TSWC, I've seen your recent contributions regarding images, and was wondering, are you interested in being part of the Image Editor right group? Currently, there are only two users in this group, Jolsarygt and Delena, although Delena is now an administrator. They help enforce the Media Policy but it does also come with extra rights. Users in this group have the ability to: protect images, unprotect images, delete images, undelete images and replace images. Let me know if you'd like to join the group :)
The Silent Whoopie Cushion wrote:
Will that require a higher commitment?
Not at all. The team was set up to provide users who edit images already extra tools to allow them to further refine the image namespace. You could use these rights every day, or once a month, whichever suits you. It was just the case that users who already edited images were needing to ask for images to be deleted etc. Shorthand, you'd be fine just editing normally and only using the rights if needed.
The Silent Whoopie Cushion wrote:
How exactly does the team enforces the policies?
The enforcement of the policy requires no interaction with users. There are set guidelines through the media policy that uploads must follow.
If the image isn't named properly? Delete it'.
If the image isn't categorized? Delete it'.
If the image isn't licensed? Delete it'.
If the image isn't TVD/TO? Delete it'.
Genuinely, the images should just be outright deleted if they violate the policy. There is no need to notify the uploader, however, I do check the deletion feed and users violating the policy will be warned and/or blocked. Even if the image is in use on an article, but violated the policy, deleting it is still the best move or asking the uploader to categorize etc.
If you choose to be part, enabling 'Fast Delete' in Preferences > Gadgets may be helpful, it adds buttons to to allow you to easily delete.
Since transmogrification is a rare ability and otherwise not easily stated else where on the wiki, can I create another section, following basic and other powers, titled rare powers and at least list astral project and transmogrification? They should be noted on the witch page whether common or not...
What I meant was kenning and linking would be considered spells but are categorised as powers and that many other witch ability pages are the same.
IMO, a witch's powers in this universe are just channeling and manipulation of nature through spell casting. The rest are the work of spells and have to be taught. The reason why pain infliction, elemental control, telekinesis and divination were listed was beacuse witches seem to manifest them non verbally on their own without being taught if that makes sense.
Anyways, I edited the section so it could include more abilities.
Many powers won't actually stated in fact loke Telekinesis and pain infliction. My guess is that it would have to be the work of the producers to show us. Esther used astral projection and at least they showed her back with her real body but dahlia just vanished and reappeared. Same could be said for madison's instance of teleportation. It could just as easily been the work of an illusion.
Yeah... I stated in a comment once that Teleportation was a fanon term since it wasn't stated. I posed to Jolsarygt the following (She has not gotten back to me on this)
The Astral projection page and Teleportation page be combined and renamed to 'Projection', that encompasses everything since so little info/occurrences are shown and have a sort of ranking for the level we've seen them used at... Spirit Projection (Invisible/Unseen i.e. Luka and Davina) < Astral Projection (Astral form or solid i.e. Freya) < Teleportation (i.e. Dahlia) < Bilocation (i.e. Esther, btw I don't like this, I think it was just astral projection)
The trivia states that ... Bilocation is an advanced ability, combining both Astral Projection and teleportation, that allows one to split their consciousness to two tangible bodies thereby allowing either to operate independent of each other. I don't think I agree with this either.
For the astral projection page, there are like 2 instances (2 season) for both series. Similar for the Teleportation page.
Well, I'm fine with it because it's an establish term as compared to other terms on the pages like lycanrope enhancement. It does make sense although but this would have to be decided by the admins I guess.
I don't have the time atm. So if you get to it later, that is fine.
I want to go back and see what exactly Freya says.. I think I'm still at a lost whether it is actually a new brand of magic or a specialized linking spell. Drawing upon another source of magic has never required a spell before so I struggle with this anyways..
I think it is a brand new magic except Dahlia did not invent it because I don't recall the characters ever using the words "spell" and "magic" interchangeably. The way I see it, it's very similar to sacrifical magic except the subject channelled is not dead / has their freedom which also require a spell/ritual before they could channel them.
I was relating it back to Dark magic a separate source that can be tapped into to fuel a spell. I like your comparison to sacrificial magic better though.
Yeah.. but I don't see the distinction between that and a Linking spell though.
Dahlia's original spell to Freya, augmented her power and allowed Dahlia to channel a firstborn. No consequences. Yet she 'linked' herself to Klaus, when he daggered himself, Dahlia fell victim as well. Both times a spell was used though the medium changed (witch v. vampire)
Found what Freya states- After taking me from my family, Dahlia used me to forge a new brand of connective magic, one that augmented my power even as it allowed her to draw from me.
I believe connective magic and linking spell is highly similar as 'connective magic' has never been established before this, no 'used' since.. (though I'm not disputing the revision)
I do believe the differece lie between the outcome from the spell. Dahlia used Freya to gain power whereas for Klaus, it was used for immortality so some consequences may have been activated. Honestly, the first time I saw that I was confused because I didn't see how it would have been different if she had channelled Hope. Maybe it has something to do with Klaus been undead and Hope been alive, I'm not sure.
I really wish the writers had been more consistent. I do see the possibility of it been the same, problem is after that episode, when ever the opportunity arises, Freya uses the term 'linking' instead of 'connective'. Maybe it is a magic that has been developed on the principles of linking, hopefully we get to see her teaching some to Hope in S4.
I don't necessarily discredit it as magic per se, I guess I'm kinda relating it back to that whole Blood magic thing with Vincent. It was named/used once and never heard of again and whether or not that warrants a 'new' magic.
I totally agree, the writers should be more consistent and give more information about such things. Magic is heavily relied/referred too on shows like this and just a side note/reference is just bad writing especially the affects that was/were intended to come about said magic/practice.
The compulsion thing was decided long before I entired the wiki. The thing is for vampires, it can't affect werewolves, witches and other vampires. Furthermore, there is nothing to suggest witches have any mental resistence when they have been shown affected by dream manipulation. So it's not a power if said individual species rather, a limitation of the ability itself.