If the Fallen Angels were responsible for teaching men how to plow fields, use fire for cooking, and creating the Universe, could the pagan gods exist as well just not have been responsible for helping mankind and creating the Universe? I was thinking, the Fallen Angels could've been responsible for doing all that and the pagan deities could've been doing other stuff.
Seems more likely that pagan gods were just how other cultures saw the beings that Christians call Angels because those beings did exactly all the things that other cultures say their own gods did (creating the universe, mankind, arts and jobs, society...) :)
Voidcloud92 wrote: Seems more likely that pagan gods were just how other cultures saw the beings that Christians call Angels because those beings did exactly all the things that other cultures say their own gods did (creating the universe, mankind, arts and jobs, society...) :)
Couldn't the Angels have been responsible for all those things and humans believed that their pagan gods did them, and the pagan gods do in fact exist? It's possible that the pagan gods existed and the gods were responsible for all of the other stories and myths in their cultures. If God, Angels, and the Great Spirit can exist, pagan gods isn't too far of a stretch. On the Salem Wiki, it says that some Angels descended on Earth and taught mankind which could mean they didn't teach all of mankind, only a small portion of it, and that most if not all pagan gods were actually Angels worshipped and believed to be gods by humans. Think of it this way, the Countess said there were an infinity number of Earth, if God didn't create all those Earths, which means the pagan gods could've created those Earths and taught mankind everything they needed to know there. Sebastian also said that they were orphans of the great gone gods, plural as in the pagan gods.
That's stretching. And there's only one planet earth with humans. Other "earths and suns" are planets and stars in the universe created by God and the angels. Mankind means all humans on Earth, not just some. Those other cultures myths and stories fit perfectly the angels' role in Salem.
Not that much of a stretch. Pagan gods have an equal chance of existing as God does; both would have the same powers, knowledge, and supremacy as each other. It is a totally different show with different rules and nothing to do with Salem, but it may be similar in this aspect; in Sleepy Hollow, there is God and pagan gods in the same universe. God created the universe and many other things, and pagan gods/deities exist as well and do all of the things in their respective cultures/pantheons. Mankind could mean all humans in a specific area/region or country like alll mankind in America. It doesn't have to mean all mankind on the planet. Sure the roles the gods were responsible for like creation was done by God and such, but it doesn't mean pagan gods not existing isn't impossible and the gods couldn't have been responsible for everything else. We don't know in what context Mrs. Stoughton was talking about. She could've been talking about of a specific place. Just like there are similar events that happen today that happened years ago, even centuries ago, there could've been similar events that happened in each culture with different deities, Abrahamic God and pagan gods.
Not in Salem. They specifically said God and angels created anything in the universe with different cultures naming them differently and writers expressly made witches and angels presenting themselves as gods in the past. Period. Other shows do differently. In every contest means in the whole Earth and if you use "mankind" to refer to a specific region you're using the word wrong. Should use population instead.
Voidcloud92 wrote: Not in Salem. They specifically said God and angels created anything in the universe with different cultures naming them differently and writers expressly made witches and angels presenting themselves as gods in the past. Period. Other shows do differently. In every contest means in the whole Earth and if you use "mankind" to refer to a specific region you're using the word wrong. Should use population instead.
Like I said, the pagan gods could've been responsible for everything else besides creating the universe and teaching mankind. Can't say this about angels, but witches were simply worshipped and believed to gods in the past, not really deities themselves. If a human saw a person use magic/their powers in ancient times, they would most likely believe they were gods and worship them as such. I don't think they were confirmed to be presented as gods, only deities. Deities are any being like gods and angels with immense power and Immortality. Not trying to contradict you, but I personally think it's possible that pagan gods Could exist in Salem universe despite what the show says about them not existing.
What writers and characters said or proved is rule... there's no despite of. You answered yourself: They saw "angels" and "witches" and called them gods or whatever they liked or believed! Deity and god are synonyms. Let's agree to disagree. I'm not interested in arguing over fanon.
I don't think so. They have their spells and rituals without having to steal again from the Afro-American voodoo practitioners... And what's for? Voodoo is a religion they don't follow. Doesn't make sense them using voodoo magic.
Common sense and credibility, most likely. Don't think would make sense for them moving entire buildings like they were tennis balls and the like. I guess knowing the affordable location to teleport to may be useful.
We never saw witches teleporting too far from the original spot. Maybe they can't move for far too long like to another city, country or planet. I don't think a witch can successfully complel more than a certain number of people at a single time. You still need an object or other clues about who or what you are looking for.
Do they need objects and other clues for Divination? Couldn't they just think of a person or thing, and know what they need to know? Could they locate any person in the world, sense things like being in danger, or something, or spy/scry for people?
Whenever a witch or medium divined something they always needed something to make up contact, and they never went too far. Cordelia's Second Sight might be a bit more precise.. Yes, with a spell Cordelia located young witches in the world but that doesn't mean any witch can do that...
Really quick question, could a witch/warlock with this power also be able to spy on other people or places and sense things about a person or location like whether there's danger or if someone was in danger?
Could a witch/warlock with the power of Descensum be able to find a way to circumvent dying if they aren't back to their body in time like somehow linking their spirit to their body so they would be able to come back to their body or something?
Hello :) Ehm... yes and no. Darklighters are generally said to be the evil counterpart to Whitelighters but in the series, they weren't exactly that. Yes they shared the orbing powers but had completely different "job". (Darklighters and BOS's Spirit Classification).
The parallel world in Season 6 is the only hint to Darklighters working like a real evil counterpart to Whitelighters meaning doing their job but for the Evil, but that's because it was a Mirror World. Maybe the Source of All Evil can assign a new task to some demons but usually, evil witches and warlocks don't want guides and don't protect each other. The only evil witch with a familiar I remember is Tuatha but probably she already had the familiar before turning evil and the snake simply turned with her to continue helping her witch friend.
Even evil witches and warlocks need guides especially if they are new to their powers and guide them down the path of Evil. If there aren't Darklighters that act as guides, could a witch or other powerful magical being create them with a powerful enough spell?
I didn't say they don't need them, I say they usually don't want them. The message from the show(not mine) is that if you're on the evil side is because you lacked a guide and you're wrong and need to be saved or vanquished. Like in the episode with the Demon Academy recruiting humans to turn into demons or Aviva tricked by Kali. If you choose to be an evil witch in Charmed, you don't want anyone telling you what to do. Even born evil witches like Phoenixes or Stillman Sisters were at odds with siblings imagine them with a mentor lol
Penny Halliwell said witches can do anything, but I don't see why an evil witch or warlock would want to do that. And if you're able to cast such spell, you are advanced in your magic and don't really need a guide.
Perhaps anything good or evil in nature like using magic selflessly or harmfuly would work, but anytime there was a turning good/evil situation the writers always used killing or saving someone as catalyst. Marrying a warlock or demon in a dark ceremony as happened with Prue and later Phoebe also turn a witch evil.
Are good magical beings such as wizards able to use their powers for Personal gain? The reason good witches aren't able to use their powers for Personal gain is because of the Wiccan Rede which states good witches can't use their powers for PG but good wizards aren't evil so they may be an exception to the rule.
You mean in Charmed? I don't think there are good wizards at all by now, just neutral-to-evil ones because the very few survived extinction seemed more interested in gaining more power, embittered by resentment or just interested in becoming more powerful.
But if there were good wizards? Paige did talk about a good wizard at Magic School once possiby when she was still headmistress. What about neutral wizards? Surely they could use magic for Personal gain too since they're neither good nor evil.
Very likely she did but let's face it, in 8 seasons they messed up big time with words and magic rules...
Wizards or whatever may or may not have a moral compass, but that doesn't mean they can do whatever they want just because without facing the slightest consequence. If you mess up with magic, magic will mess up with you.
And being "neutral" is just a fancy word for people who are either on the good side or evil side depending on who's more powerful at the time and take advantage of it...
Could a powerful enough witch be powerful enough to gain the full powers of the Source? If a Dark Priest's powers were stolen by the one intending to take on the powers of the Source, would that be enough or would they still need a Dark Priest?
I guess it's possible but I remember that you don't become the new Source but just the new host of the Source that merges with your body and changes your personality like happened with the two-faced demon, Cole and was about to happen with the Seer and Phoebe's baby.
I think isn't necessary to steal their powers, because the dark priest/ess are just needed to perform the ceremony and read the incantation while the host is being possessed by the Source and can't read the spell themselves.
It's been a while since I watched the series maybe Charmed Wiki explains it better 😅
Just like the Hollow and the Nexus, doesn't seem possible to destroy it completely. It will always find a way to came back.
All over the world with a hierarchy of upper level demons organizations helping him like the Triad or the brotherhood Cole was part of. The underworld in Charmed is worldwide, not an underground cave under San Francisco like one of the Hellmouths in Buffy's Sunnydale (which are just different doors to a single Hell too).
Hello! I guess it depends on the type of teleportation because sometimes characters changed power (the special effects used) but not always. I think warlocks always have Blinking, tho. What does the Charmed Wiki say?
Probably a poor choice at wording it. As Charmed Ones, they are the champions of the elders/forces of good in the fight against evil, but the powers evolve and advance by themselves with experience and necessity (temporarily through a spell or stolen from others) instead of some elder waking up one morning and deciding to give this or that power to a witch. And this is both good and evil witches. Some demons too although evil beings generally steal them.
Could a magical being's powers advance to a power you normally wouldn't expect the power to advance into like teleporting objects (Apportation), Banishing, and/or Summoning for Teleportation or Super Strength for Telekinesis?
the thing is though with these witches fighting originals, they never use super speed or teleportation, meaning they are reacting at human speed against 1000 year old vampire speed, at least that is what I notice much of the time.
Witches don't need super speeds when while remaining firm they can easily snapping their necks, telekinetically send them far away, burn them, cast pain infliction, etc... An above-average witch can break their bones one by one in alphabetic order while sipping tea.
But vampires (Klaus said this at least twice) whine when witches use magic in fights calling them "cowards hiding behind their powers" as if vampires never use all their super abilities every single time. It's like they want witches being the Matt Donovan of the situation during fights waiting for vampires to kill them like average humans.
dumb down who? The only dumb down characters in TVD/TO are witches who should logically win every battle against a vampire unless they are drugged or caught by surprise. But for reasons unknown (aka main characters plot-armor) they are killed like flies. Or antagonist centenary vampires who were G.I. Joe killing machines even in life that are easily killed by Hayley. Who also murdered 10 witches giving her a massive ten time stronger pain infliction spell when we saw a single witch knocking out the Originals with a single snap
Edit: and werewolves! I forgot the dumbed down werewolves used like filler characters by lazy writers!
Ones that come to my mind are Hayley fighting and kicking Mikael and Klaus' asses. In those scenarios the Mikaelsons were down powered. But with witches they aren't powered up. Most of the time are powered down otherwise will mop the streets with vampires ^^" I think the only powered up witches are the Heretics but I usually pretend they don't exist :)
I'm sorry if this message seems random, but I like messaging and conversing with other users with similarities in show preferences and such, lol. I see you've been on the Midnight, Texas wiki as well, I'm particularly excited for that show to premiere myself, when/if it does. Also, I was wondering if you would recommend watching Emerald City. I've always sort of been a Wizard of Oz fan lol, but I don't really know anybody else who watched the pilot to the current show, but would you recommend?
Hi! sorry if I answer only now ... I just got home! I like that too write me whenever you want I like to conversing about my favorite shows :) Can't wait for Midnight Texas! Yeah I liked the two-episode season premiere of Emerald City! I recommend it! Especially if you're a Wizard of Oz fan or a witch-fanatic in general ;)
Witches and Oz is like the ultimate hybrid package of a great show for me, lol. I'll try to catch up with Emerald City then, being there won't be many witch shows after this season of TVD (and possibly TO) ends. I enjoyed Witches Of East End, but that of course was cancelled. I would have also liked to watch Salem, but that was cancelled too. It's the age of the overabundance of superhero shows I guess, lol. I honestly only watch and enjoy Supergirl and The Flash.
The Season of the Witch is ending :'( I enjoyed Witches of East End too! Was a bit campy but still nice especially aunt Wendy she was my favorite and everything from house to book of shadows reminded me of Charmed but darker. I still need to catch up with both The Flash (watched only S1) and Supergirl especially since there's Chris Wood in Supergirl and he's super hottie so it's a plus
Lol Chris Wood is great! I loved him as Kai and he's great as Mon-El. And I definitely recommend Supergirl; there's no overabundant-romantic nonsense like TVD has from time to time, lol. The Flash is great with action and all, but the show has been forcing "Barris"/"Irarry" (Barry and Iris) down our throats since the first season, which is kinda gross to me being they're adoptive siblings...
Lol Charmed was great; I'm almost 100% sure that's where all witch shows of today get their ideas from. For example, the Victorian-esq home of the Charmed sisters, and then the similarities of the Beauchamp mansion in Witches of Eastern End, lol. Despite the borrowed plots every now and then from Charmed, most witch shows seem to stick for good with me, lol. And even the Librarians XD .
Yeah I'm more interested in Supergirl than The Flash because the first season didn't excited me that much to continue the series while Supergirl seems better.
Yeah there are even some similar pages in both Book of Shadows like the Hand of Fatima.
Do you watch the Librarians?! Never read of someone talking about it here (they usually talk about Salem, Supernatural, OUAT). I love them all I think is the first series where I like every single characters, although Evie Baird and Ezekiel Jones are my favorite :)
ps. since you're an admin maybe you can help me. A friend of mine is having problem administring a Wiki because anons practically don't give a damn about policy or attack him with insults... Have you some suggestions? I suggested him to block them or close it to unregistred users but he said don't want to look a dictator...
So far, it's interesting. I honestly don't know where they're planning to go with this, but it's interesting. Especially last nights episode. I think my favorite character so far is Trip and Dorothy. I really feel like they're trying to do a Game of Thrones thing and focus on a lot of characters, but they're doing it the wrong way. I feel like they should have focused on Dorothy and then slowly introduced more characters once she interacted with them. But so far, the ideas and plot make it interesting to watch. I honestly care about Dorothy and wonder why she is in Oz.